Order of the Blue Garter Twintania Down (No Exploits)

[Laryndra]

The fact that you say WoW has "easy mode raids" sort of invalidates anything you say.

Although I find the kill extremely legitimate and have no problem with what they did.

Really? You think WoW has hard raids? Go look at the progression % rates and compare it to XIV or XI and get back to me. rofl. WoW is a joke kid.

Seige of Ogrimmar ["Hard Mode"] (Newest raid instance) -- Complete dungeon released October 22 (It was released in phases). Completed by 19 guilds as of october 28.
Binding Coil of Bahamut - Released with XIV Release. Completed by 1 group of 8 people legitimately (On a legacy server which had a significant gear/level advantage to non-legacy).

[Horg]

Really? You think WoW has hard raids? Go look at the progression % rates and compare it to XIV or XI and get back to me. rofl. WoW is a joke kid.

WoW did have hard raids...excluding a few tiers of content, WOTLK Naxx for example (not sure about Pandaland and end Cata)...and you can't compare WoW to other MMOs on a progression % basis considering how many more subscribers WoW has/had compared to the other MMOs.

WoW raids from Vanilla through BC were insanely fun and challenging...but didn't require you to zerg a boss for 18 hours straight like a MMO zombie with no life.

[MrEzekial]

WoW did have hard raids...excluding a few tiers of content, WOTLK Naxx for example (not sure about Pandaland and end Cata)...and you can't compare WoW to other MMOs on a progression % basis considering how many more subscribers WoW has/had compared to the other MMOs.

WoW raids from Vanilla through BC were insanely fun and challenging...but didn't require you to zerg a boss for 18 hours straight like a MMO zombie with no life.

Yeah, WoW had raids that were just straight up broken as well (AQ40)

[glim]

Really? You think WoW has hard raids? Go look at the progression % rates and compare it to XIV or XI and get back to me. rofl. WoW is a joke kid.

Seige of Ogrimmar ["Hard Mode"] (Newest raid instance) -- Complete dungeon released October 22 (It was released in phases). Completed by 19 guilds as of october 28.
Binding Coil of Bahamut - Released with XIV Release. Completed by 1 group of 8 people legitimately (On a legacy server which had a significant gear/level advantage to non-legacy).

wat

if you've done heroic raiding in WoW, you would know coil is a joke when compared to heroic raiding (normal raiding is probably harder),also, you're comparing game release final boss vs current WoW final game boss. you know how long it took when WoW was released to kill ragnaros? WoW was released Nov 23 2004, world first ragnaros kill was april 25 2005.

granted,heroic garrosh may not be the most difficult WoW boss, but if I'm progressing on twintania right now (mind you, this ain't even an fc progression, just a random unkown LS that raids once a week) and I haven't even progressed 60% of the current heroic WoW content right now(4x a week, 3-4 hours each day), I'm sure as hell garrosh is a lot harder than twintania.

edit/add: ALSO, how many weeks has twintania been down for fixes? I'm quite sure BG would have gotten the kill earlier if all these downtime weren't there.

[verily]

(On a legacy server which had a significant gear/level advantage to non-legacy).

Had. Past-tense. You're on a non-legacy server and you have more useful Allagan drops than half of our group. You forget that you can't choose what drops in Coil and with poor luck (like we've had at times) you end up getting a lot of doubles or things you can't even put to use in your progression group, so it's effectively useless. Yes, you can argue non-legacy can get drops they don't even have the jobs to use- but just being legacy doesn't mean you use every single job available. We get tons of dragoon stuff and we never use dragoon. We get tons of BLM stuff and we only really use the extra stuff on Turn 4. We get relatively little tank loot and even less healer loot. There are quite a few non-legacy FCs with higher average party ilevels than our group has, with better geared tanks and better geared DPS. The gear advantage was effectively gone within a week of our Turn 4 kill (which many of us did in full darklight, and outside of relic shield +1 which doesn't help your DPS at all- none of us had relic+1 weapons at the time. same as non-legacy), and non-legacy have had more than 2 full weeks during Turn 5 bug fixes to catch up even more.

There's no need to continue making excuses for non-legacy. Legacy still enjoys the perks of (potentially) having a few more level 50 jobs and/or a bit more gil, but any differences in gear at this point boil down to poor luck on Coil drops or laziness farming mythology. Simple as that.

/nitpicking