Turn 5 Twister Strategies Compendium

[Soukyuu]

And why do you believe that "progressing" necessarily means "getting better with your class"?

Because in my opinion, that's what progressing in the game means - clearing content by executing your role more or less flawlessly. I'm not forcing everyone to accept that stance, that's just my personal opinion.

You can get better in other ways as well - this is probably one of these cases (even if excellent execution is still a very important factor)[...]
The fact that they needed to use their heads and "think outside of the box" to try and figure out what the "secret" was is not something bad per se, it's a novelty (not really, The Secret World already does this) and definitely interesting, at least for me and probably for others as well.

I don't see it as something bad, but as I said, for me, the mechanics of twisters go against already established rules. Whether it's because I don't see the hints or another reason, I don't know.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Because in my opinion, that's what progressing in the game means - clearing content by executing your role more or less flawlessly. I'm not forcing everyone to accept that stance, that's just my personal opinion.

I don't see it as something bad, but as I said, for me, the mechanics of twisters go against already established rules. Whether it's because I don't see the hints or another reason, I don't know.

Well, as they said themselves, this fight requires pretty much a perfect execution - so it's still not an easy fight even after you figure out how to deal with Twister.

And the fact that Twisters go against established rules (we will have to wait for their explanation to say this, honestly) might be exactly the point.

It's hard for a reason, and "expecting players to think outside of the box" is definitly something that makes a fight hard :P

[Soukyuu]

Well, as they said themselves, this fight requires pretty much a perfect execution - so it's still not an easy fight even after you figure out how to deal with Twister.

And the fact that Twisters go against established rules (we will have to wait for their explanation to say this, honestly) might be exactly the point.

It's hard for a reason, and "expecting players to think outside of the box" is definitly something that makes a fight hard :P

I didn't claim the fight is easy now :P
I will let myself be surprised by that explanation of how it works, maybe it ends up being totally clear and not in conflict with any rules as I currently feel it is.

Yo I just gotta say, this Soukyuu guy is super butthurt.

And I would be that because of what reason, again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDi2NlsA4nI

I think this is relevant to the discussion

"What they didn't know is that the food was distributed at random and had nothing to do with their actions". <- lol
I don't think it's random in this case though.

[Viridiana]

Because in my opinion, that's what progressing in the game means - clearing content by executing your role more or less flawlessly. I'm not forcing everyone to accept that stance, that's just my personal opinion.

I've never really understood this sentiment (not just from you; I've seen it from others as well). Isn't dodging mechanics part of everyone's role in an encounter? Thus, learning mechanics would be part of executing one's role.

[Soukyuu]

I've never really understood this sentiment (not just from you; I've seen it from others as well). Isn't dodging mechanics part of everyone's role in an encounter? Thus, learning mechanics would be part of executing one's role.

It might be a too vague distinction, but it is separate for me. Figuring out mechanics doesn't make you better with a specific class - because the mechanics don't vary per class, only the actions you take. my only problem with mechanics would be them being obscure for the reason of obscurity.

But I think that (off)topic has been discussed enough in this thread already, so that's all I'm going to say about it here.