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  1. #71
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    Zakalwe's Avatar
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    Lapsed Pacifist
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    Adamantoise
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    Botanist Lv 51
    The thing that makes aggro management different in FFXIV is that unlike most other mmo's tanks here lack 2 of the 4 usual tanking tools: forced taunts and aggro leeches. This makes aggro management much more of a full party responsibility than you typically find elsewhere.
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  2. #72
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    Moirear's Avatar
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    Biuma Arvinda
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    Goblin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
    Unless the tank is grossly undergeared, sleeping enemies is a waste of time. If you're doing something like Stone Vigil where it's actually possible for a bad group to run out of time, it's actually imperative that you DO AE all the packs of 3 mobs to get more time for Isgebind. Now of course you can also AE and get yourself or better yet the whole group wiped, but in that case your group almost certainly could not have beaten Isgebind before the time runs out so you didn't really lose anything.
    IMHO AoE attacks are usually a waste of time and inefficient use of resources. They're more efficient against weak mobs that die quickly anyway. You're usually going to take down mobs more quickly by putting maximum firepower into one at a time. There's an exception when basically everybody spam-AoEs enemies to death in a coordinated effort (the slimes in WP for instance), but if it's only 1-2 using AoEs against trash mobs, they're wasting resources and time.

    I've seen it way too often how somebody thinks they're saving time by AoEing mobs in high-level dungeons when they're only chipping away at all of them, when the same character could have been devastating them more quickly one by one.
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  3. #73
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    waldo's Avatar
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    Lilly Grace
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I don't understand complaints about Agro management. So long as your tank marks the target kill order and you've got a few people that follow that simple concept should very rarely have issues. Of course there are always a few idiots out there, but for the most part no. I've very rarely been 'abused' while tanking.
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  4. #74
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    Klive's Avatar
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    Klynwilf Spellrifter
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    Everyone says 1/2 the tank population, ie warriors, are useless in end game content and they wasted their time leveling warrior over paladin.

    Now we wonder why we have shortage of tanks...

    I'll call Scooby Doo and the Gang to solve this mystery.
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  5. #75
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    Amayasu's Avatar
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    Amaterasu Gerani
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Tanks are bored of tanking for impatience PuG DPS.

    Tanks are bored of running the same instance over and over and over again while taking longer to gear up (seriously, the drop rates on tank gear is low, and the combined Head+Chest and Legs+Feet DL gear is a massive mistake).

    Tanks would like a taunt that works; because there's always a bard that pulls before you're even into melee range...

    Levelling a tank if PAINFUL...

    ... but mostly;

    Tanks are in FCs with good players on voice comms; the DF is a waste for no extra rewards.

    I say all of this as a tank.

    Oh, and if PuG players continue to rip on Warriors, they'll stop too. Warriors can tank just fine; stop being idiots and accept them.
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  6. #76
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    Character
    Hego Damask
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    Hyperion
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Hi, i'm a damn good tank.
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  7. #77
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    Seig345's Avatar
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    Character
    Seigyoku Cypher
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 66
    I'm still not 100% comfortable in the tank role so I've been sticking with the first dungeons to practice until I can do it in my sleep, and yet despite being in dungeons where you could very likely get away with 4 naked conjurers and still win, people are already super critical. Healers laughing at the idea of bringing any aggro to the tank instead of running off in random circles and not using Fluid Aura on whatever the tank is attacking, DPS who seem to think the whole dungeon is a DPS race with the other DPS (or worse, the tank), or all 3 just blatantly pulling everything as soon as they can run to it like they're used to when soloing squirrels and ladybugs outside.

    I've never complained about/wondered why there aren't as many tanks; the chances of getting a group of decent human beings are minimal next to getting stuck with 3 people who could be outdone by chimps and yet blame the tank for everything. The hypocrisy is unbearable.
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    Last edited by Seig345; 10-28-2013 at 03:52 AM.
    "Ul'dah can keep their dusty markets, and their streets paved in silver and gold.
    Limsa Lominsa keep your pirates, and your ships covered in musty mold.
    My loyalty lies with Gridania, with the Moogles and the tree spirits of old." -The Forky Conjurer

  8. #78
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    Xaviar Mykel
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 40
    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    Everyone says 1/2 the tank population, ie warriors, are useless in end game content and they wasted their time leveling warrior over paladin.

    Now we wonder why we have shortage of tanks...

    I'll call Scooby Doo and the Gang to solve this mystery.
    bish me no useless

    i WAR ALL DAY EVERYDAY
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  9. #79
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    Klynwilf Spellrifter
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by astrobear View Post
    bish me no useless

    i WAR ALL DAY EVERYDAY
    I'm not saying "WAR is useless" as my point of view. I generally play with a WAR tank since that is what my wife plays. I was pointing out the general view of the player base. WARs are generally seen as the "lesser" tank and have trouble getting accepted in groups. My wife has leveled her monk to do content over her WAR now. Why? She think paladin is really boring to play and rather play a DPS over PLD. I'm sure other WAR share this view, hence we have a tank shortage.
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  10. #80
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    Mooshywooshy's Avatar
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    Character
    Mooshkin Dreikoenige
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 60
    I loved leveling tank classes and was sure to do 100% of the leveling in Dungeons to help other people. I still randomly hop on to go to lower level dungeons but I really wish there were another tank class for me to actually level. Crossing my fingers that SE goes insane and somehow pulls out a Musketeer tank job lol
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