Summoner - The whining needs to stop.

[PiedPiper]

I suppose if we all vastly outlevel the content and I'm only there to herd stuff up and tank the bosses, then it doesn't really matter as much... but for harder content I'd rather keep hate and kill stuff more slowly than risk losing hate due to running out of MP mid-fight.

If I've a Bard, or the AoE DPS aren't going balls-to-the-wall (Fester/Ruin/etc - it happens a lot! >.<) so that my MP doesn't bottom out trying to keep hate and I can rotate in a few Riot Blades and/or RoH, I'm generally fine.

Was going a bit over the top because of how vitrolic Seriat had become toward Keeve. That said, if you follow my advice you'll find its not as hard as it seems at first.

You probably don't need to regenerate mp. If you've used every flash you can, and woven in ROH while doing so, you have ALOT of enmity already on the table.

In many ways, there is no "harder content." There is no current content that a i80 relic pld in full i70 can't manage both the aoe and single target threat for. In the case of summoner--which is what this thread isa bout--their passive AOE damage via bane is slight enough that you should have no problem holding over them. Its only marginally more hate than your healer will be generating anyway (either you are under geared and your are taking a lot of damage, at which piont you need lots of aoe threat to hold, OR you are over geared, not taking much damage but thus dealing far more enmity and stuff dieing faster).

There is no dungeon in which a summoner shoudl be asked to NOT use bane. That is what ths thread is ultiamtely about. MAYYYYYBE if you are a like, a ifrit's blade baby-pally against a full darklight/vanya relic +1 with some allagan summoner. But even then, that's what cover is for.

As a paladin, its your job to never, ever, for any reason, ever, under any circumstance, need to ask a dps to slow down. You can tactically call for quelling, but they should still be able to dps full power. If they are able to put the damage up, you should be able to keep up. If you are consistently loosing out, step up. The only way to get better is to challenge yourself, and I promise you could be better. Everyone, including me, could be.

[Maelwys]

As a paladin, its your job to never, ever, for any reason, ever, under any circumstance, need to ask a dps to slow down.

"Dammit Minmax, put DOWN the Axe! The Main Tank is down, the Off-Tank has DCed, the Healer's faceplanted and the Black Mage has wet their pants!!"

"CANT TALK BUSY DISMEMBERING!"

(More seriously, I usually appreciate a second or two at the very start of a pull to let me secure initial aggro, but I get the jist of your point!)

I actually DID ask a DPS class (Drg) to slow down a little bit two evenings ago in an AK run, because he had a +1 Relic and it was making the BRD jealous...

You're acting as if it's a travesty if a DPS pulls one mob off sometimes.

AAAAARRRRRRGHH!!!
PROVOKE! RoH! FLASH! ShieldBash! Your mother was a Hamster! GETBACKOVERHERE!

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...sorry, OCD.

>.>

[Umero]

As a paladin, its your job to never, ever, for any reason, ever, under any circumstance, need to ask a dps to slow down. You can tactically call for quelling, but they should still be able to dps full power. If they are able to put the damage up, you should be able to keep up.

I don't agree with that. Being a part of the team, it's better to ask, communicate, and plan out how things work.
NEVER, EVER ASSUME YOUR TEAMMATES WOULD DO THINGS YOU EXPECT THEM TO. So if a DD is generating too much hate for the tank to keep up, ask them to slow down. It's critical and it'll make things done faster without unnecessary hassles(argument, rage-quit, etc.)

A pld's job is to hold hates and not letting anyone take hits. If asking ppl to slow down would help avoiding them being hits. That's a wise thing to do. Because they are not supposed to take hits but you. But of course, everyone needs to know their job skills and be prepared well for the fight.