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  1. #11
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    Shaenrael Calgarawyn
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    Lamia
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavern View Post
    Not sure I agree with your Acc cap value, as I've heard a variety of different values from ~480-484 from different sources. Switching from Relic +1 to Allagan Blade/Shield will lower Acc by 1, but gain 8 parry. This change would still keep you in the target range for speculated T5 acc cap.
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    Allagan Shield has 11 ACC while Holy Shield +1 has 7 Skill Speed.

    You lose 8 swithing between weapons, but get 11 from the shield, which is a net gain of 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by dark494 View Post

    Allagan ring has 11 skill speed, I know some people consider the myth earring which has another 16 skill speed. It could matter.

    All 3 items will net you .03 second faster GCD's.
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  2. #12
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    Qt Symba
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    Adamantoise
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Allagan shield has 7 accuracy
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  3. #13
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    Lucavern D'karnak
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyith View Post
    If you have a legit max hp formula id like to see it. I did not account for the base hp value when I came up with 8.1k so it is incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by CianaIezuborn View Post
    Yeah base hp calculations are all messed up. I did figure that base paladin vit/hp is 194/2214 before bonus stats/race stats. If you subtract 194 from the final Vitality, multiply it by 14.5, then add 2214 hp it should come up clean. That base 194/2214 doesn't divide cleanly into the 14.5 coefficient though.
    This formula is relatively close, but not 100% accurate. [ (Current.VIT - 194) * 14.5 ] + 2214. Judging from the Lodestone, that comes up about 200HP off for me. I'll check the formula that I have in my spreadsheets after work and update then.
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  4. #14
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    Jahaudant Rivea
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Feel free to use my own wardrobe style PLD equipment spreadsheet.
    • Your base STR and VIT values will change depending on your race, so remove all of your gear and edit them to the correct numbers. (Do not include your allocated stat points here).
    • Put your additional allocated points in the appropriate cells.
    • Put your base HP value in the cell labelled Base. To figure out this value remove all your gear, equip a level 1 sword with no stats and do:
    • Current HP-(Allocated VIT*14.5). For example, I have 2938 HP with no gear and 30 points in VIT. 2938-(30*14.5)=2503.
    • You can add new equipment on sheet 3. It's pretty self explanatory.

    I've compiled some sets taking in to consideration the debatable accuracy cap (heard of values anywhere between 470 and 482).

    It should be noted that these sets are built around maximising parry while maintaining the appropriate accuracy cap, and that they are built with the (varying) TURN 5 accuracy requirement in mind. Lower level content will have vastly different BIS sets.

    True Best in Slot | Assuming 482 minimum required accuracy



    Pre Turn 5 Best in Slot | Assuming 482 minimum required accuracy
    Because the majority of groups won't be clearing Turn 5 any time soon I've also included sets that don't require Allagan Blade or Allagan Helm (our Turn 5 drops).




    Pre Turn 5 Best in Slot (without wasting myth on Valor Gauntlets) | Assuming 482 minimum required accuracy
    The previous set requires valor hands which you will eventually replace with Allagan and the gain you receive is only 1 parry and 4 crit.
    This set foregoes purchasing the hands and uses a set that allows you to transition easily in to your true BIS.



    True Best in Slot | Assuming 475 minimum required accuracy



    Pre Turn 5 Best in Slot | Assuming 475 minimum required accuracy



    On a related note, the spreadsheet also displays your correct base and in-party HP values as well as enmity and damage values for each skill. With full i90 you can expect to be at roughly 7000 depending on your race. The highest being 7042 for Roe IIRC.

    Edit: Error in Allagan Blade stats, there should be no skill speed on this weapon. Disregard.
    Edit 2: No spoiler tags.... why SE?
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    Last edited by Jahaudant; 10-25-2013 at 11:43 PM.

  5. #15
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    Ciana Iezuborn
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    Cactuar
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    I'll need to verify in game, the formula is working for my spreadsheet however my calculated Vitality on that spreadsheet is 20 less than what Lodestone says I should have. That would kick me up to 214 VIT as base VIT which seems like a familiar number. This is what happens when I do google spreadsheets while drinking Guiness.

    Try [ (Current.VIT - 214) * 14.5 ] + 2214 until then, see if that matches up. I was trying to take it a step further so that I could calculate for other races and eventually other classes, so I tried to strip it down a bit more than was probably necessary.

    Here's a link to the spreadsheet I'm using if you want to fiddle with gear setups, you'll need to make a copy of it to edit anything:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2c&usp=sharing
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  6. #16
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    Jahaudant Rivea
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    BaseHP+(AdditionalVIT*14.5)=HP
    (ROUNDDOWN(TotalVIT*1.03)-TotalVIT)*14.5+HP = PartyHP
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  7. #17
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    Ciana Iezuborn
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    Looking at Jahaudant's sheet I think that's the issue, I had Paladin base Vit listed as 194 instead of 214. I probably subtracted my racial Vit twice in a drunken stupor or something. Corrected on my sheet and it matches Lodestone now at:

    [ (Current.VIT - 214) * 14.5 ] + 2214

    Note that relies on a Paladin base HP of 2214, base Vit of 214, and HPCoeff of 14.5. This base does not include racial bonus or bonus stats allocated.
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  8. #18
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    Symbiant Disciple
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 60
    TBH I would not want my food calculated into my bis. My bis would be listed as below. This will meet max acc req's while keeping par high. Does food help Sure it does but, it should not be needed. I know a lot of hc players like think food is a big part of it but, I think this would be far better since you gain so much acc for the cost of very little par / det.

    A-HELM
    A-CHEST
    V-GUANTS
    V-LEGS
    A-FEET
    A-RING
    H-RING
    A-BELT
    A-NECK
    A-EAR
    H-WRIST
    A-BLADE
    A-SHIELD
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  9. #19
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    Jahaudant Rivea
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    Sargatanas
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    Ciana: regarding the base stats in your spreadsheet I think you have STR listed incorrectly. my base STR as seeker of the sun is 203 where your spreadsheet has it down as 192.

    I'm trying to add a selectable race function in my own sheet so you don't have to manually figure out your base str/vit/hp but can't seem to find accurate numbers!
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    Last edited by Jahaudant; 10-26-2013 at 01:28 AM.

  10. #20
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    Enitzu Zen'yr
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Looking at the BiS list, I could agree with your true BiS if and only if it was to be confirmed that acc cap is in fact 482. I have always heard that is 472 and haven't found much of anything to dispute that.

    If the cap is 472 then the allagan wrists with valor gloves is BiS but only because of the extra 1 parry and dropping your acc to 479. Personally I will be going this route until I can really get into T5 and see where I stand on misses etc. As of right now I sit at 477 with food and don't notice misses at all.
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