Jumping Risk Assessment

[Punainen]

Have you tried /emote motion spam? I do it all the time to annoy my friends. You can even do it while auto running to spam the sfx like /chuckle. Should they get rid of that too?

The sheer difference is that not that many people do it. SOME people spam emotes... in any game with emotes, SOME people spam them......but in EVERY game with jumping, MOST people spam it.

[Xmbei]

On the mention of "people don't choose a game because it doesn't have jumping" I am going to quote one of my friends I wanted to play FFXI or FFXIV with,

"oh it doesn't have jumping? What backwater, low grade, useless MMO are you playing that doesn't have a basic feature of jumping? Seriously if they don't have basic MMO things like that they probably don't have a lot of things I want in the game. So no man I am not going to waste my money on that trash, maybe when they implement jumping and add a lot of things I might join."

He is stating it is a basic feature in modern day MMORPG's it add's emmersion, it adds a Y-plane to your character, it adds a lot more strategy to the game, that yes is not currently in the game because they have to implement the feature, aka jump, FIRST before you can even add content that will be dependent on the feature.... You can't use the arguement "oh there is no use for it in the game yet!" there is a lot of things they are adding that "don't have a use for it yet" but those features are being added. It is like all the Grand Company quests They don't have a purpose yet but they will probably in June, yet you don't complain about them implementing them early to start the ground work for future features in the topic.

[Leeloo]

On the mention of "people don't choose a game because it doesn't have jumping" I am going to quote one of my friends I wanted to play FFXI or FFXIV with,

"oh it doesn't have jumping? What backwater, low grade, useless MMO are you playing that doesn't have a basic feature of jumping? Seriously if they don't have basic MMO things like that they probably don't have a lot of things I want in the game. So no man I am not going to waste my money on that trash, maybe when they implement jumping and add a lot of things I might join."

He is stating it is a basic feature in modern day MMORPG's it add's emmersion, it adds a Y-plane to your character, it adds a lot more strategy to the game, that yes is not currently in the game because they have to implement the feature, aka jump, FIRST before you can even add content that will be dependent on the feature.... You can't use the arguement "oh there is no use for it in the game yet!" there is a lot of things they are adding that "don't have a use for it yet" but those features are being added. It is like all the Grand Company quests They don't have a purpose yet but they will probably in June, yet you don't complain about them implementing them early to start the ground work for future features in the topic.

Sounds a bit closed-minded to me, but he did have the sense to not bother buying it rather than buying it and spending his days complaining on the forums about how awful the game is because it doesn't have jump. That sounds reasonable.

[Neptune]

BTW what server did you play FFXI on Nep? There is no doubt in my mind that you played XI.

I played on Diabolos.

I'm not sure, but if jumping was implemented in a way to where only you can see your character jump, that would possibly be the best way to implement.

This idea was mentioned in another thread but mostly went ignored.

Ok let's explore this offensive idea for a second.. Imagine some rocky terrain that you have to jump/climb up to get to the top for a quest item. Your party is ascending the hill. The person in front of you looks like they randomly appear at each step until they reach the top, because the game doesn't show them jumping to you, but on their screen their animation looks natural. No, that won't work.

What you are proposing is a filter to keep yourself from being annoyed. I think.. there is already a filter in the game like that! It's called the BLACKLIST! PERFECT, let's just add jumpers to the blacklist so non-jumpers cannot see them at all! You wouldn't want to party with a jumper anyway would you? They're proven idiots. Anyway, I mean only if the devs go against all common sense and implement jumping in this game.

Risks
1: Landing wrong and twisting your ankle
2: Falling too far and breaking your leg
3: Falling way too far and dying
4: Landing on a Lalafell

Bonuses:
1: Seeing people fall too far and hurt themselves
2: Seeing people land on Lalafells

lol

+1 to jumping.

It could actually allow for some interesting platform based boss fights.

No..No sir! Platform based boss fights would be a clear violation of the Final Fantasy Code.

Jumping will not make the game better. Jumping? Seriously? That adds nothing to a game. You do NOT join an MMO because you jump, I have never in my 2x years of online gaming heard someone say:


"I WANT TO PLAY THIS MMO BECAUSE I CAN JUMP! ^__^"

THAT'S RIGHT! Who has literally ever heard someone say this? No one! OMG. Elexia where were you when I made my OP? I could have used this incredible insight then! Oh well, thank you for posting it eventually.

That's very smart though. Tell people go back to SE's other successful MMO so that XIV can fade into nothing since it will show them they should focus on XI instead of XIV

That's RIGHT! Every time you tell someone to go back to XI a fairy dies.

You should care. XI is making them a lot of money, XIV is not. Telling people to go to their other successful MMO and make them even more money, any wise business would see that as a sign to put all attention onto what is making them money so they can make even more money.

HELLO PEOPLE!! You should listen to Elexia. If you tell those XI vets to go back to XI, SE being the very wise company that they are, will immediately reduce the dev team as they shift over staff members to XI. The fact that they have spent millions of dollars and years making XIV will not matter one bit to their decision! You think they are afraid of losing out on their investment? Guess again! Money means nothing to them if players go back to XI. Pride means nothing. They will gladly let XIV fall by the wayside if players support XI. If you keep talking about XI they will probably even shift Yoshi-P onto XI and just cancel XIV altogether! So watch your tongues! And thank you Elexia Your logic is so ironproof.

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Thank you Melodicya, I appreciate your compliment that jumping is such a popular topic thanks to me. I just hope SE reads my post and that the message rings loud and clear which side they should come down on on this all important topic. Also, have I ever mentioned how.. melodious your name is?

This community is too easily trolled, let's hope the devs are capable of seeing that as well.

Err... I'm.. not sure what you mean.. however, I hope the devs DO see what kind of community they are looking at when making these important decisions that will affect FFXIV's future for a long time. They should not only think about the kind of community they are looking at now, but what kind of community they hope to have in the future. It's like, let's say I'm a small elementary school in a rural area in the countryside. At first, I don't have a lot of students so I only buy the short school buses. Every morning I pick up all the members of the community and they come to my school in shortbuses. Eventually, as my community grows I will have more members to pick up and bring to school. Logic would dictate that I would invest in some long, normal school buses to pick up the new members of the community but if the devs keep doing stuff like not implementing jump, what we are going to see is all the members of the community packed into these shortbuses. Which would probably suit this small community very well but if it grew any bigger it would be majorly cramped.

ppl are afraid of "jumpers" ? seriusly .................

YES! Be very afraid.

(Removed due to Terms of Service Violation)However jump now in days is a basic feature just like walk and run which should be added in ever mmo. Name one MMO PtP (made in the last couple years) that is doing good right now with no jump.

You're presenting a contradicting statement. How can you say that nobody plays a game because they can jump, and then make another statement that implies that the only way for a pay to play MMO to see the big numbers they should include a jump?

Let's look at the above two quotes very carefully. Steelcyclone (somewhat rudely) said that jump is a basic (if offensive) feature AND that all A-list MMOs have jump. It seems like he is presenting a case of an industry standard.

Malakhim accuses him of contradicting himself, saying that he said that nobody plays a game because they can jump, which he did not say. Then Malakhim says that Steelcyclone then builds on that statement (that he didn't make) and implies that the only way an MMO can see success is to include jump (which Steelcyclone also didn't say). So how do we make sense of this? Malakhim has pointed out 2 things that didn't exist in Steelcyclone's post, and used his own logic based on nothing to make his own accusational point against Steelcyclone.. obviously there is only one response to this irregularity...

/bow down to Malakhim. Thank you for your awesome insight into Steelcyclone's statement! You could read between the lines where none of us could. We need you to take a look at some of the other logical-sounding statements being made in this forum.

Not the point. Question was should they just rid of the things or stop implementation on things that can annoy people or take them out of their precious "immersion". Players will find ways to be annoying if they are annoying people. You can't overlook jump because of those instances.

Can't..fight..this...logic..Malakhim....HELP!!

The sheer difference is that not that many people do it. SOME people spam emotes... in any game with emotes, SOME people spam them......but in EVERY game with jumping, MOST people spam it.

YES! If a game has emotes, some people will be annoying people. But if a game has jumping, it will actually MAKE people more annoying! It didn't strike me before that a game could automatically change a person from the inside out just by adding a feature but you are RIGHT! I'm recruiting Panainen along with Malakhim to be a part of my special anti-jumping task force.

[Punainen]

YES! If a game has emotes, some people will be annoying people. But if a game has jumping, it will actually MAKE people more annoying! It didn't strike me before that a game could automatically change a person from the inside out just by adding a feature but you are RIGHT! I'm recruiting Panainen along with Malakhim to be a part of my special anti-jumping task force.

Wow, way to miss the point entirely, good for you. MENSA should bring you onto their forces seriously. Or you could work for NASA... No, people aren't being annoying and jumping everywhere only because they CAN'T jump. Not everyone who would be annoying by jumping would be annoying by spamming emotes. People who make an ass of themselves getting hammered on beer is not the exact same people who do it by getting drunk on wine. Get it? We're talking different people here. Everyone who WOULD be annoying by jumping just isn't because there's no jump.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

The sheer difference is that not that many people do it. SOME people spam emotes... in any game with emotes, SOME people spam them......but in EVERY game with jumping, MOST people spam it.

It doesn't matter. The point is if the argument is that it's annoying, there are other ways to annoy another player without having to jump. It's a weak argument and greatly exaggerated anyway.

[Punainen]

It doesn't matter. The point is if the argument is that it's annoying, there are other ways to annoy another player without having to jump. It's a weak argument and greatly exaggerated anyway.

They don't do it BECAUSE its annoying, they just do it and it happens to be eye-bleedingly annoying.

[Neptune]

Wow, way to miss the point entirely, good for you. MENSA should bring you onto their forces seriously. Or you could work for NASA... No, people aren't being annoying and jumping everywhere only because they CAN'T jump. Not everyone who would be annoying by jumping would be annoying by spamming emotes. People who make an ass of themselves getting hammered on beer is not the exact same people who do it by getting drunk on wine. Get it? We're talking different people here. Everyone who WOULD be annoying by jumping just isn't because there's no jump.

Ah, ok you're saying a certain type of person has the latent trait of being an annoying jumper and it's like filtered out by the lack of a jump feature? Very interesting. We should test this scientifically. Let me ask you this.. do you think you have any traitors in your linkshell right now?

[Punainen]

Ah, ok you're saying a certain type of person has the latent trait of being an annoying jumper and it's like filtered out by the lack of a jump feature? Very interesting. We should test this scientifically. Let me ask you this.. do you think you have an traitors in your linkshell right now?

I fail to see the relevance of that question and you're sounding suspiciously like a troll. So I am done here now, goodbye.

[Anty]

They don't do it BECAUSE its annoying, they just do it and it happens to be eye-bleedingly annoying.

you can make jump only available outside cities/camps, that would work and on the open field jumping could be useful and more realistic (if done right) then the spiderman abilities we all have now