I have done tons of speed runs, many with the pld/whm/blm and brd. 10 to 11 mins or so. However its still fast replacing the bard. Monks and Dragoons do well, and yes it may take a few mins more, its still better than whats out there. We had wp down in 15 min with a monk yes 5 min to the optimal but lets face it you wont get optimal time all of the time. We just run with whoever is aval. Just dont hang out with those who like to discriminate.