Wanderer's Palace Discrimation

[Duuude007]

Discrimination would be if you weren't an ideal class, nor could you ever change classes to become that class (RE: WoW)
Same applies to pld, whm or blm. Roughly half the class options available to pursue freely once your initial class is lv 10+.

You may think you are being discriminated, but what you really are is lacking the initiative to adjust to change.
ANYONE can fit one of those 4 roles, given the personal drive to do so.

[Wolfwoodx]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD. I know we're not really an AoE class by any means but I was thinking, Rain of Death is only 100 potency and Quick Nock and Wide Volley are only 110. There's also Flaming Arrow, but the radius of Ring of Thorns is 5y and the potency is 100 but comboed with HT it's 150, plus we can use life surge to crit, and also Doom Spike to do 160 in a line. Could a DRG be a feasable AoE in WP speed runs by doing HT + RoT + DS combos? That'd be about 310 potency AoE (plus 170 to the HT target) per 3 moves versus 320 AoE of BRD minus the fact we don't have Flaming Arrow. I know it's not ideal but I'm just wondering if it was feasible.

[Duuude007]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD. I know we're not really an AoE class by any means but I was thinking, Rain of Death is only 100 potency and Quick Nock and Wide Volley are only 110. There's also Flaming Arrow, but the radius of Ring of Thorns is 5y and the potency is 100 but comboed with HT it's 150, plus we can use life surge to crit, and also Doom Spike to do 160 in a line. Could a DRG be a feasable AoE in WP speed runs by doing HT + RoT + DS combos? That'd be about 310 potency AoE (plus 170 to the HT target) per 3 moves versus 320 AoE of BRD minus the fact we don't have Flaming Arrow. I know it's not ideal but I'm just wondering if it was feasible.

Yes, drg and mnk are viable for sr's, but its naturally faster with a bard because the PLD and healer can benefit from fast ballad mp recovery.

[Spythe]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD.

BRD don't have great AoE but they buff the BLM damage and provide mana song for the healer in the group.

[Duuude007]

BRD don't have great AoE but they buff the BLM damage and provide mana song for the healer in the group.

PLD too. Flashing that many mobs being spam-AOEd can be mp intensive. Often SoS and melee combo hate isn't enough.

[Reiterpallasch]

This is what happens when people cry for nerfs to speedruns. Not the optimal class with aoe (since we have to kill everything now, derp)? Too bad, back of the line. Speedruns didn't go away, but instead adapted to the newly "improved" dungeons.

There was a time when class didn't matter, because people just skipped mobs and killed the bosses. But people were against that and cried "nerf! nerf! nerf!".

You got exactly what you guys asked for, and I'm perfectly content with that.

[Zer0mr]

This is what happens when people cry for nerfs to speedruns. Not the optimal class with aoe (since we have to kill everything now, derp)? Too bad, back of the line. Speedruns didn't go away, but instead adapted to the newly "improved" dungeons.

There was a time when class didn't matter, because people just skipped mobs and killed the bosses. But people were against that and cried "nerf! nerf! nerf!".

You got exactly what you guys asked for, and I'm perfectly content with that.

Agreed.
/10Char

[ZaelC]

Discrimination would be if you weren't an ideal class, nor could you ever change classes to become that class (RE: WoW)
Same applies to pld, whm or blm. Roughly half the class options available to pursue freely once your initial class is lv 10+.

You may think you are being discriminated, but what you really are is lacking the initiative to adjust to change.
ANYONE can fit one of those 4 roles, given the personal drive to do so.

So you are saying I am obligated to become one of those classes because the class I like it's not comparable to this ones? Kinda hard to argue with that, but I thought the classes were made for you to choose the one you like and play with it, not to choose the best one even if you don't like it just to make the content faster and better because your original class can't (what everyone is doing with BRD right now). That means there is no balance between classes, and I suppose this isn't what SE wants. Switching classes was made to complement your original class with other skills and to try other classes and if you like them play with them too, not to be obligated to change because your original class sucks.

[Duuude007]

So you are saying I am obligated to become one of those classes because the class I like it's not comparable to this ones? Kinda hard to argue with that, but I thought the classes were made for you to choose the one you like and play with it, not to choose the best one even if you don't like it just to make the content faster and better because your original class can't (what everyone is doing with BRD right now). That means there is no balance between classes, and I suppose this isn't what SE wants. Switching classes was made to complement your original class with other skills and to try other classes and if you like them play with them too, not to be obligated to change because your original class sucks.

If a party splits because the last attempts were too slow, whose fault is that?

People want a group that will go several runs because its efficient.

If you want to do otherwise, be the one recruiting. or be fantastic in the dps class you claim is discriminated against.

I say claim, because I've seen some pretty fantastic monks and dragoons. This is extremely rare, however, as the lazy ones are everywhere. Being a brd fortunately has added utilities which make up a fair amount for being lazy, while the others do not.