SCH DPS > SMN DPS?

[GameGeeks]

Always been curious about dots and raging strike. Haven't been able to find anything to back up the idea it's worthwhile to use or if it just works on the first tic of a dot and that's it.

[iMark521]

Um... I thought Cleric Stance switches the numbers of INT and MND....?

Ex:
Base
INT - 100
MND - 120

After using Cleric Stance
INT - 120
MND - 100

So when you are testing, why would you gear out SCH in Int gear, and put the 30 points into INT? You should be putting points/gearing into MND for Cleric Stance to actually work.... no?


EDIT: I just noticed someone a couple posts up said the same thing. Guess I'm just reiterating what was already said. Go me. I'm a winner.

[Swick]

Your friend is being silly, but not by nearly as much as you think. Healers, scholars in specific, put out INSANE dps. Their DoT's tick harder (minus shadow flare which is identical) and they have 1 additional DoT. Their ruins hit ~10 harder, energy drain, while not as strong as fester, is still pretty damn good, Selaine's DPS buffs are better then they seem on paper. (assuming 8 man) Which at the very least makes up the difference from energy drain vs fester. SMNs however, have a DPS pet Which is barely higher then aero DPS. So the only thing you have on SCHs is offensive CDs. SCHs have none, and you have 4(?) Raging, Spur, Enkindle, and Contagion. Honestly SCHs (and WM's) DPS is a lil to high when in cleric stance IMO.

However with all that said, they real question your should be asking yourself is, "Is Arcanist DPS higher then SMN DPS."
Internal Release, Blood for Blood, Raging Strikes, and Aero, on top of shining emerald sounds absolutely disgusting.

[Kevee]

SMNs however, have a DPS pet Which is barely higher then aero DPS.

Lol? Aero is going to do ~20 DPS. Pets are 60(min) to 90~100(for me)

However with all that said, they real question your should be asking yourself is, "Is Arcanist DPS higher then SMN DPS."
Internal Release, Blood for Blood, Raging Strikes, and Aero, on top of shining emerald sounds absolutely disgusting.

And then you realize ACN has no access to relic/AF2, can't realistically get the Allagan tome(so BiS is Garuda/Titan), has 15 less base INT, no Garuda(Contagion, mostly)/Spur/Fester/Enkindle. Also, you lose Swiftcast as a CCS because you need the 5 slots for CDs/Thunder/Aero.

ACN is probably lower, or equal, to SCH.

[Swick]

Lol? Aero is going to do ~20 DPS. Pets are 60(min) to 90~100(for me)



And then you realize ACN has no access to relic/AF2, can't realistically get the Allagan tome(so BiS is Garuda/Titan), has 15 less base INT, no Garuda(Contagion, mostly)/Spur/Fester/Enkindle. Also, you lose Swiftcast as a CCS because you need the 5 slots for CDs/Thunder/Aero.

ACN is probably lower, or equal, to SCH.

Aero is more then 20 DPS, i'm pretty sure anyway. I never apply it by itself so im not sure how much it ticks for. And yes TBF you do lose out on all of your AF2, BUT on paper it is possible to be in full allagan gear as a Arcanist. And since Shining Emerald equals Contagion (Although if you wanna get nitty gritty Shining Emerald is better since it'll extend all your DoTs while under more Offensive CDs making Blood for blood a permanent effect as well as Internal Release) You only lose 15 int from your base job stats.

So all you really lose out on is Fester (Which hurts) Spur (kinda sucks but not a huuuuge deal you still get rouse at least) and Enkindle (which is pretty terrible in terms of DPS, great in burst situations obviously tho)

But you gain a perma 20% dmg boost to your DoTs, as well as a perma 20% crit increase to all your DoTs. An extra DoT in Aero which falls under the before mentioned buffs. Those two factors may also make Miasma II worth using as well but don't feel like doing the math on that one.

You also don't lose Swiftcast, in fact you gain 5 more cross class abilities since you lack a job crystal meaning you could bring:

Aero, Thunder, Blood for Blood, Internal Release, Swift cast, Raging Strikes, Quelling Strike, Stoneskin, Sure cast or w/e they want. After the first 6 the others really don't matter.

I honestly think Arcanist will be better then Summoner when all is said and done. Especially once more classes are added to better make use of those extra 4 cross class skills.

EDIT: Its not a perma BFB and IR idk why i thought it was. Its damn close tho.

[Kevee]

Aero will be ~20-25 DPS, maybe 30.

I honestly think Arcanist will be better then Summoner when all is said and done. Especially once more classes are added to better make use of those extra 4 cross class skills.

I will "agree"(until we can really parse things) if you have full allagan/ilvl 70 crafted+allagan tome. This is iffy, though, because RS in total is about a ~3% DPS gain. BFB will be a little bit more, and I think IR would be about equal. Fester is 55-60 DPS. Even a 10% gain won't make up that difference.


Yes, I realized you can still get Swiftcast. I forgot Classes get double the CCS that Jobs do. I haven't been a class in forever. Thank you for pointing it out, though, if anyone is reading this and trying to theorycraft.

EDIT: Its not a perma BFB and IR idk why i thought it was. Its damn close tho.

You could rotate the CDs and have perma-CD'd DoTs running. Almost. If only RS was 120s CD for everyone, and 90s for BRD/ARC.

[Swick]

Aero will be ~20-25 DPS, maybe 30.
I will "agree"(until we can really parse things) if you have full allagan/ilvl 70 crafted+allagan tome. This is iffy, though, because RS in total is about a ~3% DPS gain. BFB will be a little bit more, and I think IR would be about equal. Fester is 55-60 DPS. Even a 10% gain won't make up that difference.

Yes, I realized you can still get Swiftcast. I forgot Classes get double the CCS that Jobs do. I haven't been a class in forever. Thank you for pointing it out, though, if anyone is reading this and trying to theorycraft.

You could rotate the CDs and have perma-CD'd DoTs running. Almost. If only RS was 120s CD for everyone, and 90s for BRD/ARC.

Yea Aero hits for ~100 on my SCH, and ticks for about 50 so ~25 dps is accurate (mostly DL and no i90 mind you.) Although for the whole Arcanist vs SMN thing its still a pure DPS increase and at the least would make up the difference between Energy drain vs Fester, or close too. Especially since aero too would be hit by shining emerald/DPS buffs.

If you rotated i'm positive you could always have one buff up at all times once you account for Shining Emerald. Maybe not on Aero or Bio since they have base short durrations but the longer ones for sure. Either way its something to think about in the future. And imo would be shameful if true.

[pandabearcat]

If scholars had an offensive pet, I could see them giving smn a run for its money.

Which btw, is one of the massive flaws of the job system, how the base class determines about 95% of your combat efficacy.

The rest is just the fact you can equip better gear, stats.

But no pet = frown.

Also, whats interesting is, SCH does have a much bigger mana pool, so I can see them being better in instances where the smn is oom.

[AylaYukihana]

If scholars had an offensive pet, I could see them giving smn a run for its money.

IF SCH had an offensive pet they would easily beat SMN. As it is, its not that big a gap.

While SMN can equip Thunder, it uses a lot of MP, twice that of Aero/Bio. I doubt a SMN can sustain that kind of spam with using charges on Fester instead of Enery Drain (165 potency in cleric stance).

[LostCody]

If scholars had an offensive pet, I could see them giving smn a run for its money.
Also, whats interesting is, SCH does have a much bigger mana pool, so I can see them being better in instances where the smn is oom.

even if sch got the same pets as a smn garuda,titan,ifrit then it would be a festerless smn.
fester is 1 of smn best spells and only reliable burst outside of rouse,spur enkindle combo(which is also only available too smn)and over a long fight and even during adds the lack of fester would be noticeable.
even with the combo and fester smn is still lackluster when it comes too burst and it only allows smn too get by barely when it comes down too certain phases were a lot of damage is needed quickly.
so even if what you say is true why would anyone pick a gimped smn who might do more base damage but has a more serious burst problem over lets say a full smn or blm?