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[Veritas-Ancora]

THANK YOU!!! So glad to see this thread!!! Not everyone has a small guild. We're already at 500 and had to remove people. We're getting a good 10-20 applications a day and this helps us immensely to pair up and ensure we're not going to be constantly kicking people out.

I know a lot of people are going to troll -- "why do you need such a big community?" "what's the point?" "my guild's only 10 people and so everyone else should be" "Well IIIIIIII don't need this" etc. etc. -- it's a social minority guild of like-minded people who have extreme prejudices against them in games. It requires an application process, approval, filters, monitoring, and we refuse any alts from joining. If it wasn't so needed, we wouldn't be so full and over 30 people on a waitlist hoping to get in.

[silentwindfr]

even if i can understand old community coming from far, i still lack to understand the purpose of huge community on FF14, is not like you need a massive amount of people for do something.
worst when the house will come out, you will never be able to enter the house at the same time (instance limitation) at best you will have 1/8 (for the fc at 800) maybe less that can enter the house.

@veritas-Ancora: why not stop the recruitement if you are soo many already? why continue to recruit?

it's virtually impossible to really socialize with more of 100 person, or they will simply vague knowledge... in game like EVE online this sort of number is needed, here is not...
if you want to make something in the sole goal of socialize you have the ls, they are the main tool for this. the FC will be the core group of people with who you will play all the time.

it's why they put the alliance system, is not for allows big FC to become bigger, but because it allows to create group into a large community and still be part of a larger group.

if i was you, when the alliance come out, i will split the FC in group of 50 people of the same hours and such, people that play always together and use the alliance for make a huge community of small group. better you will be able to take a lot of house in the same residential area, if not take all the residential area!!!

ps: other important point, it will be easier to control and organize the community, it will be like the grand companie, with squad into the group and such.
maybe is time to see farer and wide your viewpoint at what it can offer to create this sort of community, instead to create a large oversize FC.

[Brevitic]

I am surprised by some of the sentiments in this thread!

I am completely willing to start a weekly seminar on group management and community efficiency. It seems it would be in high demand!

I assure you these skills will translate not only into your regular lives but also make your online interactions that much better! Managing people is a skill, and must be practiced, much like interacting with others in a business or public environment without being shameful to your organization.

If you are interested, please reply to this thread, I am counting on you to be earnest in your desire to improve yourself and not just post badly. The average lesson will be about one hour, please bring bottled water and a notepad.exe

Please Be Contemplative!

[Sumii]

Why do our free companies offend you so much?

Never once said they offended me. If anything they amuse the hell out of me. It just so happens that in this game the DEV's current stance for the moment being at least is that your wonderful mob can't be only under one banner.

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

I am surprised by some of the sentiments in this thread!

I am completely willing to start a weekly seminar on group management and community efficiency. It seems it would be in high demand!

I assure you these skills will translate not only into your regular lives but also make your online interactions that much better! Managing people is a skill, and must be practiced, much like interacting with others in a business or public environment without being shameful to your organization.

If you are interested, please reply to this thread, I am counting on you to be earnest in your desire to improve yourself and not just post badly. The average lesson will be about one hour, please bring bottled water and a notepad.exe

Please Be Contemplative!

Regardless of whether you're being serious or not, you sound more like a politician / bureaucrat / mouth speaker rather than any sort of concerned good samaritan.

[ExponentialDecay]

even if i can understand old community coming from far, i still lack to understand the purpose of huge community on FF14, is not like you need a massive amount of people for do something.

The FC is also used as a service which all of us can benefit from.

worst when the house will come out, you will never be able to enter the house at the same time (instance limitation) at best you will have 1/8 (for the fc at 800) maybe less that can enter the house.

We'll deal with this when housing comes out.

virtually impossible to really socialize with more of 100 person, or they will simply vague knowledge... in game like EVE online this sort of number is needed, here is not...
if you want to make something in the sole goal of socialize you have the ls, they are the main tool for this. the FC will be the core group of people with who you will play all the time.

The problem with this line of thinking is that we ALREADY have a large community coming in. We're not trying to get more members as we already have a rather large mass existing. LS's are used to form smaller specific progression groups, while the FC serves more of a social role.

if i was you, when the alliance come out, i will split the FC in group of 50 people of the same hours and such, people that play always together and use the alliance for make a huge community of small group. better you will be able to take a lot of house in the same residential area, if not take all the residential area!!!

You're not us, and you clearly have no want of being us. You're recommendations are rather useless here.

ps: other important point, it will be easier to control and organize the community, it will be like the grand companie, with squad into the group and such.
maybe is time to see farer and wide your viewpoint at what it can offer to create this sort of community, instead to create a large oversize FC.

Again, this is an already existing community. Our goal wasn't to have "The Largest FC," we just want to accommodate all our users. Most of us honestly didn't expect the FC to hit half the number we ended up with, and at the same time we don't want some of those members to feel like second class citizens in our FC's.

Never once said they offended me. If anything they amuse the hell out of me. It just so happens that in this game the DEV's current stance for the moment being at least is that your wonderful mob can't be only under one banner.

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

I'm not sure what you're doing here other than trying to rile us up.

[Magus42]

The real kicker that you all should be wondering is whether or not there will be a maximum amount of alliances allowed for all your little mob groups and whether or not you'll be able to be all allied.

Well any limit has to be at least 2, and we're only 2 FCs, so... your logic skills are a bit lacking, aren't they?

[Sumii]

Well any limit has to be at least 2, and we're only 2 FCs, so... your logic skills are a bit lacking, aren't they?

Yes because with a social group/mob who clings to mass amounts of members to flourish and diversify the number one priority is to stagnate or not keep expanding once all your current community members are together. Perhaps your mob group won't grow, but there's others complaining about applications they can't accept because they're just too big.

Rarely have any of the goon/mob guilds in previous MMOs reached an equilibrium and stopped growing. There's always new members like locusts to grow the swarm.

[Brevitic]

mouth speaker rather than any sort of concerned good samaritan.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouth%20speaker

It is my thread, I like to post in my thread to be helpful to people.
I am sorry if my language comes off as diplomatic for you, as one of the ways you manage to represent large groups of people is you speak in a careful way that is sensitive to the needs and wants of others.

I would like to offer you my personal tutoring, in public communication

Yes because with a social group/mob who clings to mass amounts of members to flourish and diversify the number one priority is to stagnate or not keep expanding once all your current community members are together. Perhaps your mob group won't grow, but there's others complaining about applications they can't accept because they're just too big.

Rarely have any of the goon/mob guilds in previous MMOs reached an equilibrium and stopped growing. There's always new members like locusts to grow the swarm.

You're doing ok here by using qualifying statements but this seems like it could be interpreted as mean, perhaps even anachronistic in that we wouldn't recruit when we have too many people already? Also I must insist that you stop referring to the organization as a mob as PBC/DGKK is not:

1: a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action

2: the lower classes of a community : masses, rabble

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1382168759

I hope this has been as rewarding an experience for you as it has for me!

[Alhanelem]

I know a lot of people are going to troll -- "why do you need such a big community?" "what's the point?" "my guild's only 10 people and so everyone else should be" "Well IIIIIIII don't need this" etc. etc. --

It's simply because when everyone on the whole darn server dogpiles into one or two guilds, it takes away from the opportunities for anyone else to make a guild (It's nearly impossible at this point unless you entered the game with a big circle of real life friends).

I'm not jealous at all. I think it's a bit destructive for a couple people to essentially have a monopoly on guilds.

I'd rather see 10 50 person guilds floating around than 1 500 person guild.

oh, since we're playing dictionary;

1: a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action

a large *OR* disorderly crowd; *especially* (not necessarily "always" one bent on distructive action. mob has been very commonly used in a non riotous/destructive context.

a company too big for 1 company certainly qualifies to me as a 'large' crowd.

LS's are used to form smaller specific progression groups, while the FC serves more of a social role.

The original spirit of this system was clearly meant to be the other way around. Yoshida referred to linkshells as "just chat channels," while the free company system is designed as a full featured guild system.

[Sumii]

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mob [mob] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb, mobbed, mob·bing.
noun
1. a disorderly or riotous crowd of people.
2. a crowd bent on or engaged in lawless violence.
3. any group or collection of persons or things.
4. the common people; the masses; populace or multitude.

Since you want to argue semantics. So yes, I will keep referring to PBC/DGKK/Goon/Whatever extraordinarily large FC as a mob.

Also, you should learn the difference between denotation and connotation in specific regards to the politician / mouth speaker statement.

In any case, enjoy your soon-to-be mob alliance!