PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Jonjey]

Most mnks and drgs can not do that. I'm not saying WAR is the best DPS, or the best tank, I'm saying it outshines pld on content in which pld's super defenses aren't really needed. I'm also saying that WAR as a DD is extremely versatile and well rounded for almost any situation.Where MNK and DRG's damage varies greatly with every WS (where one ws can do 200 and the next can do 550, then 180 and then 400 etc, speaking of monk as I don't have DRG but I do have relic/full dl monk.) WAR's weapon skill damage maintains somewhere in the 300-400 region on every single ws, then with buffs I can hit for 500-1000 depending on which ws and if it crits. War is very steady damage over the course of a fight.

[thomalbar]

It's about what tank and healer combo does more damage. A paladin tank with either WHM or SCH will do more damage as a combo than a War and WHM or SCH. The ability to pull a pack in an AK or something and need zero heals until the fight is done blowing only one CD maybe two, means the healer is essentially another dps. On my WHM I can dps until the pally gets to 1.5k or so then switch out of cleric stance and top him off then go back to dpsing. Holy spam is a fantastic amount of AOE damage and I can do that knowing the paladin will survive. I can't as well with an equally geared War. They simply require more healing.
I run a geared 50 paladin and geared 50 WHM. I've healed both paladins and wars in AK's and WP's and CM's. The group does more damage and clears faster with paladin.

Look up speed clear videos in AK or WP and look for any with a War. Then look at a modest speed run with a paladin. The latter will have a faster clear time.

[Hundred]

A waste?
Lol doubt it. Why are you trying to create further dissonance in the tanking community?

[Awake]

) WAR's weapon skill damage maintains somewhere in the 300-400 region on every single ws, then with buffs I can hit for 500-1000 depending on which ws and if it crits. War is very steady damage over the course of a fight.

So first we had 3k heals from inner beast and now we have 1k hits? Dear god.....yeah my monk can do 900 crits aswell with a 1.5sec gcd.
Oh and FYI i am rounding up and down them numbers just to make them look more interesting, but you can take the info as pure fact!

Also you can enjoy your war in AK while i will continue doing my speed runs on my paladin and do the place in 17-20minutes.

[Skull_Angel]

I don't know much, I just know I outparse DD's constantly while on WAR acting as a DD rather than a tank. I also can eat hits that other DD's never could. I also can hold adds like other DD's never could. I'm just going by the parser, not by bullshit numbers being thrown around in attempts to prove one thing or another like everyone in this thread has attempted to do.

If you're talking about dungeon run parses, I hope you realize that as a tank you have marginally more up-time on enemies because you're going to be the first one attacking; this will skew parser results in any tank's favor during short fights, esp. in the case of classes that need considerable wind-up time (eg.; SMN and MNK) to reach their full potential.

[KittenJitsu]

I think the real problem here is this... Wars are boring and PLDs are fun. Who really enjoys the extremely slow attack speeds of the war?... When you can play a PLD that feels much smoother and engaging. Come on... you wars are only playing wars to be different. Admit it. Don't be shy. I like to be different too sometime. :P

[Gangaloo]

Lol at all of these people who miss the point entirely. This isn't WAR VS PLD OH MY GOD WARRIOR IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN PALADIN YOU NOOBS!
This is saying that for easier content, the extra defenses of PLD are not needed, where as the extra damage of Warrior is a very nice thing to have. People on these forums enjoy reading in between lines and picking out tiny segments to tear apart to help themselves feel better about whatever it is that burdens them, whether it be in real life or in a video game.

I've done that on my PLD numerous times. It's not really that hard. Sword of Oath is pretty good.

[Vmage]

I'm saying it outshines pld on content in which pld's super defenses aren't really needed.

but that part isn't even true.

in low end content where paladin's defenses aren't needed you can still put them to use - you don't have to ignore them.

you make use of the paladin's defenses by pulling more packs of mobs than a warrior can handle without heals, and have your healer help aoe them down - effectively increasing your group's overall dps more than using a warrior would have

i'm not sure if this thread is just full of people that have only leveled mrd, or only leveled gla, but you should really try both before you try to make these comparisons...

i'll absolutely concede that your ak/wanderers clear will go faster as a warrior if you've just used the duty finder to find your healer though, as i've never encounter a healer in the duty finder that did anything but stand idle unless someone needed a cure - they don't seem to even know what cleric stance is

assuming you have a healer that pushes more than one button every 20 seconds though, you'll clear faster with a paladin simply because they require less heals

to really illustrate what i mean here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRRaUh5uQJQ

now if you can find me a warrior that gets his party through this low end content in 10 minutes that's another story.. meanwhile i'll be "wasting" my time on paladin in low-end stuff as well as high-end stuff.

[Ariyn]

You're not serious, right?

Last I checked, my job is to heal up damage, using damage, not simply just mitigate it. Only mitigating damage is a Paladin's job. I'm a reactive tank. Why are you posting this?

You can't be serious ... You honestly think that the 30 str you are gearing for is more beneficial then the 650ish HP you get from the 30 vit? Go for it bro. Tank turn 5 for me as a MT and get back to me on that when you're getting slapped for 7k+

And if you are talking about speed running lower crap then this entire post is pointless as it doesnt matter what tank you have its all stupid easy and can be done by literally smashing your face on the keyboard

[Ryios]

and have absolutely no problems main tanking everything mentioned above except for Garuda

You can't tank garuda because your missing 500 hp from not going 30 vit? O.o wow.... Considering I downed turn 1 last night on my warrior without Bravura +1 specced 30 str with a dps ring on.

Also compare all the DPS gear to the tank gear, same amount of STR on Tank accessories as dps accessories (nearly). There is no reason not to get the tank pieces. The point to stacking STR is to get more parry, if you are not using +parry tank gear you are countering yourself...

Also warrior can tank Garuda with absolutely no problem in WP gear. Because her main attack (slip stream) is 100% avoidable.