PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Kunkka]

By that logic, it's a waste to not use another DPS instead of a Warrior tank in AKs.
Warriors are desperate to legitimize the bad lot they were given by SE - which is stupid. They should all be complaining about their job being undertuned instead of trying to legitimize it by saying "We do gud deeps!"

If you bring a dps instead of a tank, you cannot multipull. If you cannot multipull your clear times suffer significantly. Sure your dps might do 300+ dps while a war can only do 200, but that war aoeing does as much as a physical dps and allows the BLMs and WHMs to get near 800+ dps.

[Jonjey]

Lol at all of these people who miss the point entirely. This isn't WAR VS PLD OH MY GOD WARRIOR IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN PALADIN YOU NOOBS!
This is saying that for easier content, the extra defenses of PLD are not needed, where as the extra damage of Warrior is a very nice thing to have. People on these forums enjoy reading in between lines and picking out tiny segments to tear apart to help themselves feel better about whatever it is that burdens them, whether it be in real life or in a video game.

[Jonjey]

PLD is the better tank. It's a better tank for everything in the game. That's a fact. It's better at -tanking-. However, on content that you don't -need- all of that extra tanking ability, such as CM, Prae, Ifrit, AK, TWP, etc, Warrior is the superior choice because it can still tank anything those dungeons have to offer, while dealing more damage, thus making it faster. I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

[PriestMalkier]

PLD is the better tank. It's a better tank for everything in the game. That's a fact. It's better at -tanking-. However, on content that you don't -need- all of that extra tanking ability, such as CM, Prae, Ifrit, AK, TWP, etc, Warrior is the superior choice because it can still tank anything those dungeons have to offer, while dealing more damage, thus making it faster. I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

Exaggerate much? I regularly kill demon wall with my group (as do most in the FC now) with both warrior or paladin tanks. You're warrior dps isn't what makes the difference between a demon wall speed kill. Either the dps is overgeared or they aren't.

[Exstal]

I'm pretty sure the math has been done that Warrior, VIT stacked like tanks are supposed to be, do marginally better DPS than Paladin.

So by this logic, Warrior is unnecessary for anything because you can just use a Sword Oath STR PLD, who will take less damage than the Warrior anyway.

[CyanDvai]

War is better at multiple target control, pld is better at single target control.
Pulling 4+ mobs I will loose hate usually on at least 1 of them, especially if I'm running with Relic+1 dps (which I ave been in my latest AK runs).
I'm leveling Warrior so I can have options and learn to play it as a tank. I'm getting really sick of these War Vs Pld threads. They're both tanks, they tank differently, they both have their pluses and minuses, learn them, deal with them, if you don't like it roll another class.

I can only imagine the threads if SE introduces another tank class.

[Maelwys]

I'm pretty sure the math has been done that Warrior, VIT stacked like tanks are supposed to be, do marginally better DPS than Paladin.

This.

The comparisons I remember show Paladin DPS being much worse than WAR if they just cycle the Rage of Halone Combo. However once they start using off-GCD abilities (mainly Spirits Within and Circle of Scorn) and start using 'Fight or Flight' on cooldown then they become effectively on par with WAR when in both are in their Tanking stance and very slightly behind WAR when both are just DPSing. There's also a slight trade-off in TP to consider (IIRC both will slowly lose TP over time when spamming their optimal attack chains, but WAR will lose it slightly faster, meaning that PLD can keep up their damage for slightly longer before they have to start waiting a little between GCDs to rebuild TP)

With Infinite TP WAR can just spam overpower and AoE things to death. Depends what limits you put on the scenario.

[Kuroyasha]

It's a fact. Everything else in the game suffers from having a PLD tank. If PLD and WAR can both tank CM, Prae, Wanderer's Palace, Amdapor Keep, Ifrit, and Garuda, and WAR does more damage(by a lot) than PLD, why would anyone want a PLD for those activities?

b/c they tank without worrying about DPS as if they're a dps when they're not?

[Dman0129]

War is better at multiple target control, pld is better at single target control. Pulling 4+ mobs I will loose hate usually on at least 1 of them, especially if I'm running with Relic+1 dps (which I ave been in my latest AK runs).

Your rotation must be slightly off if your not able to hold threat, that or you let one the mobs slightly out of range of flash. I tank AK in Sword Oath with 2 SMN in full DL and Relic +1 and usually pull 2-3 groups of mobs(6-9) and never loose aggro.

I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times

Killing the wall before bees and without using limit break is a joke now days. Im not sure I would use this as an example. I think in the 15 or so runs I did in AK yesterday (19-20min each) We used LB 1 time on wall. . . That was because the extra Smn was using Grand Company book and didnt have relic or Darklight yet.

[Giantbane]

I've yet to see 1 PLD 2 Relic DPS 1 Healer kill Demon Wall before bees pop, yet I've done that on WAR numerous times, it's not fair to put all of the load on the DPS when you could be doing more damage yourself. Stop making excuses.

Is the PLD in Sword Oath the whole time spamming CoS/Spirits and FoF on cooldown (and not interrupting his main combo with it either)? Because he should be, at least until the bees pop. Might also consider adding Fracture for AK runs, not like PLD really need their cross class abilities for that dungeon.