Square, Don't let the Community ruin this game

[FinalChenz]

People can be so pathetic. So quick to blame the symptoms without ever stopping to thing about the core issue lol.

Surely it's not because "content" in this games degrades to doing the same scripted event over and over and over and over and over and over again, thus placing a very strong incentive to rush through that script as fast as possible. Nope, not at all!

"Dirty speed runners, stop being such an exploiting douche bag that ruins my DF!"
"Lol, dumb noob, you first time? Kthxbye, I need to get moar tomes per hour."

All these threads focusing on speed runs. So stupid ahahaha.

[Phogg]

You bring up very valid points, however I'd assume that using Duty Finder would technically be a speed run, unless of course people just want to try it out and see stuff. Utilizing your Linkshell or Free Company to "learn the ropes" would be most likely a better option to learn as this will allow the community feel that so many wish to obtain from MMOs in the first place.

I have a completely opposite outlook. Duty finder is literally built for a casual with fewer available resources to still be able to progress. If people are all hardcore and want to speed run, it should, IMO, be on them to gather like-minded friends to do that with, and not force completely random people to do what you want or GTFO.

Which is why I maintain, its should surprise no one that people who complain about newbs, force speedruns, and auto quit on dungeon runs have no friends to do them with.

Edit: To be clear I could care less if people speed run, I just think its inappropriate to DEMAND random people/duty finder people do that as well. The laughing at them or chastising them for watching CSs or whatever is really more telling about the person then anything about the mechanics of the game.

[Zumi]

The community really wasn't any different in 1.0. There was few dungeons in 1.0, Darkhold, AV and CC. If you said no I don't want to speed run CC or AV in a pug and watched the CS you would be kicked from the group for sure.

Speed runs really aren't a new thing they were around from 1.0.

[FinalChenz]

The laughing at them or chastising them for watching CSs or whatever is really more telling about the person then anything about the mechanics of the game.

Uhmm... no it's not.

[Phogg]

Uhmm... no it's not.

So acting like a jerk says nothing about the person acting like a jerk for no reason? Interesting perspective. Speed run people are free to form their own non-duty finder groups with like minded people all they want. They make a choice to be a jerk to random groups of people when they don't get what they want. I'd say that speak volumes.

[FinalChenz]

So acting like a jerk says nothing about the person acting like a jerk for no reason? Interesting perspective. Speed run people are free to form their own non-duty finder groups with like minded people all they want. They make a choice to be a jerk to random groups of people when they don't get what they want. I'd say that speak volumes.

I never said it says nothing about the person. Some people have the tolerance and patience of a saint, some don't. The truth of the matter is that the players are not the sole or most influential aspect of the scenario here.

Please refer to:

People can be so pathetic. So quick to blame the symptoms without ever stopping to thing about the core issue lol.

Surely it's not because "content" in this games degrades to doing the same scripted event over and over and over and over and over and over again, thus placing a very strong incentive to rush through that script as fast as possible. Nope, not at all!

"Dirty speed runners, stop being such an exploiting douche bag that ruins my DF!"
"Lol, dumb noob, you first time? Kthxbye, I need to get moar tomes per hour."

All these threads focusing on speed runs. So stupid ahahaha.

Now walk through this with me.

If the same event is,

A) the scenic finale(s) of a story some people actually care about (or even sometimes want to relive).

B) the way to advance in endgame by repeating it to an almost torturable extent.

This alone is awful design. But wait, there's more!
Let's throw in the wildcard that is DF and this is where we are.
Regardless of anyone's opinions, DF isn't designated for the specific use of either A or B. Unless there's some official stance I don't know about (hint: there isn't), those are just the facts.

See, there's plenty of reasons to be douche bag. Not saying it makes you right/wrong for being one; no one is right in this situation. It's just game design creating problems between players.

That's why I quoted you at first. Just to let you know you were wrong.

[Aleksandr]

I'm the main tank. That solves a lot of problems relating to the pace of the dungeon

Option #2: Join a guild or get friends that want to go at your pace. What exactly do you expect Square to do about speed runs? I guess they could get rid of incentives to clear dungeons more quickly, but I feel like that would tick off a lot of people too.

And if the DPS don't kill? You are not going to go very fast. If the healer doesn't heal? You will not last very long. You are just one component of the team and honestly you could be replaced by a Titan summon. Being tank (or healer) doesn't set the pace of anything except how rapidly an ego expands.

[Creativephobia]

The Legacy Community is colliding with the new community. Not cooperation, collision. Now I'm not saying it's everyone. It certainly is not, but it's frequent and unforgiving. I know there are nice people among legacies and jack***** among newbies, for sure.

I speak from experience. I've been a top tier raider in most games that I have played. I don't look down on newbies, and often find myself helping them, but I know that when the group is all in high end gear and some guy says "how do...?" it changes the group's whole potential.

I believe you're mistaken here in your generalization of the "Legacy community" as the source of this problem. 1.0 was full of arrogance, no doubt. But a lot of legacy players have tossed off the air of superiority given that content has by and large been made accessible to everyone, and many accomplishments don't carry the weight they once did..

On the other hand, there's been a rapid influx of FoTM elitists who treat this game like every other MMO out there, and bring with them the same nonsense of "Gear check is required or I don't want to waste my time with you." Honestly, from my perspective, this issue really isn't a Legacy player problem at the source. Yes, it exists, but most of the epeen stroking in Revenant's Toll is from self-styled mercs who seem to believe that the only point of playing this game is to acquire as many Relic+1s in the smallest amount of time possible and continue to intentionally exclude themselves from the rest of the community until they can safely say their clique is the most unique brand of asshats that play the game.

Anyhow, that's just my 2c. Coming from a legacy player who is as repulsed by the state of PUG endgame as you appear to be. Thank god I do everything with my FC.

[Sixmp]

I never said it says nothing

Regardless of anyone's opinions, DF isn't designated for the specific use of either A or B. Unless there's some official stance I don't know about (hint: there isn't), those are just the facts.

See, there's plenty of reasons to be douche bag. Not saying it makes you right/wrong for being one; no one is right in this situation. It's just game design creating problems between players.

That's why I quoted you at first. Just to let you know you were wrong.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...depth_and_his/

Imo from what is said in here Duty Finder is to help beginners. People just starting out untill they finish story mode.

"Therefore, I believe the duty finder is a "necessary feature for the players new to the world of MMORPGs."
I would like new players to think "Hey, that was much easier and fun that I thought it would be" after their first party experience."

So in his own words. It is to help new people. What does the community do? Stamp new players into the ground with harassment etc .

[Phogg]

I never said it says nothing about the person. .

You said "Um no its not", that's pretty much what you said.

That aside, make friends and make your own parties then with people doing the same thing. Don't blame duty finder or make that some excuse to be jerk to other people because you are so self centered you can't be bothered to be around random others who are just not that into you. But, that must be hard for you since you admitted you think its ok "to be a douche bag". It's really not, its a choice you make and if you don't have friends to do what you want with you, maybe its time to reconsider your decisions.