[TIP] If you're going to be an Archer

[Moesugi]

I play an archer in my down time. It's fun!

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As someone who used to play tank/healer in WoW, the boss mechanic in FF14 are boring. I love to do fight that require the tank to kite the boss, standing still pressing 1234 is pretty damn boring, and it get worse when the fight last for more than 15 minutes.

Also, the truly good player are the one that still keep their rotation going smoothly, no matter which role they're performing, while going along with the boss. That show their understanding of that boss mechanic, to utilize their kit to the best for the fight.

I'd actually love FF14 more if the boss they're gonna introduced in 2.1 swing over this way. But with PS3 player also playing, that's not likely coming any time soon.

[Maku]

Also, the truly good player are the one that still keep their rotation going smoothly, no matter which role they're performing, while going along with the boss. That show their understanding of that boss mechanic, to utilize their kit to the best for the fight.

I'd actually love FF14 more if the boss they're gonna introduced in 2.1 swing over this way. But with PS3 player also playing, that's not likely coming any time soon.

I play on computer but even still why wouldn't it be possible because of PS3 players? Many people that use controller can do just as good of a job as mouse/keyboard users. Having been playing with both depending on my mood I know this for a fact. So if this isn't the reason for you saying this what is? If it is the reason for saying this than you are wrong.

I play an archer in my down time. It's fun!

I also see a lot of archers soloing and I love to sit and laugh at them. "Why do they run around like that?" I think to myself.

I don't see the need to run around. Maybe it's because I learned to tank first and it's my instinct to stand there and take it. But as archer, I have cure, I use it. Couple arrows, cast a cure, couple more, dodge the AoE... repeat.

I was WHM in a FATE yesterday, something about "eyes" in Dragonhead area. Idiot archer took aggro and proceeded to dance. Maybe this is why archer leads to bard, they need a little music to go with the dancing?

Masha

Why not run around though? Why laugh? Having to cast cure while being hit on is not only (given only slightly) more dangerous but it also takes more time. Since there is zero limitation on moving and shooting those of us who dance as you say while soloing kill faster.

[rhazchan]

For the love of God, stop running around like you're a chicken with it's head cut off and tank the bloody mob!

I swear, you are making matters worse by running around trying to kite the stupid thing instead of standing there and letting people wail on it! Hell, I guarantee that it'll be a hell lot easier for a tank to take hate off of you!

Oh, that reminds me.

If you're a healer and you see an Archer kiting a mob like an idiot, let them die so someone with an ounce of common sense can tank it!

Thank you.

better run away if there's no responsible tank who wanna take over than an instant kill bro. About FATE, there's a possibility that there are no healer that care about the one who tanking (knowing what their jobs). The healers just spamming medica to get aggro and gold medal.

Different from dungeon, if it is on dungeon just run to your tank and let him take the mobs

[Ravnis]

My two cents..

In fates, EVERYONE including tank classes kite without heals. I see this every day, and it will never change.
In Dungeons, if I'm kiting around with a mob it's because the tank already failed or the healer is LOLMEDICA and I peeled it off the healer.
In Raids, I never pull aggro.

It's pretty much that simple.

[PopeHat]

Tanks get a two second head start to build aggro on trash, and then if I pull aggro I assume the healer will heal me. I don't have the patience to hold DPS on trash mobs because the tank isn't using a good rotation.

On bosses, I have quelling strikes and there is no excuse for the tank to lose aggro to me. I'll kite the boss while the tank reflects on his poor play.

Fates? Healers don't heal in fates, and you can't trust tanks to tank in fates. It's getting kited. I kited Gorgimera from 50% hp and still won. I don't care if the dragoons can hit or not, it's not my fault the tank died and the next person down on that threat meter is most likely a healer actually doing their job.

[Leiron]

1/10.
You tried too hard.

[Dusky]

(Huge thank you to Viridiana for teaching me how to bypass the 1000 character limit!)

Hm, Based on what I've been reading in here. Sounds a bit like a gripe thread Huzzah!
Currently I'm working on my lancer. But I've got a CON/ARC Build on a second character. And I used to play THM as my first class. So I sort of got in the habit of not moving when fighting (so as an archer, In dungeons I would stand still and dps from afar. Bringing mobs back to tank if need be etc.)
Fates? It depends on when you join. If you're one of the first people in and you're an archer, You're gonna have to kite a bit. But generally I try to keep close to tanks so they can pull threat off me rapidly. Then I retreat to the furthest I can still attack from and rinse/repeat.
Lancer? I'm enjoying quite a bit. While it requires movement (circling the enemy mostly) It's quite easy to do if you just lock on then L3. Strafe mode activated!

Earlier I read something in here about someone saying how easy it is to heal others while using a controller. Yes you are absolutely correct. if you're in a party with your fellows.
Otherwise in something like a Fate, You're not in a party unless it's a boss Fate, You have to spam left or right to cycle through targets, and if you're not facing that direction sometimes the cycle will skip the person entirely. This makes it even harder when someone is moving and dragging a bunch of adds behind them. because each time they pass in front of another player. the target cycle changes and what might have selected the player to heal finally, will now target someone closer. Then huzzah! back to the mobs and miss the player entirely. Meanwhile. computer has it a little easier because you can just click the kiting mc-kiterface and heal that way.

A quick story from before the servers went down for the evening. Was going through the Undercroft (Second story dungeon) with a random light party. You think it's bad to be in a group with a bad archer/bard. or terrible tank? Try being in a group with A tryhard cleric. A blind archer, And a button mashing tank.
First voidsent enemy (first miniboss) tank dies because A) he's not moving out of AOE markers, and B) The Conjurer is using Lightning while having cleric stance active, as opposed to healing the tank. Archer on the other hand, Has been killed shortly after the fight began because rather than attack the marked targets in order. He decided to attack whimsically and pulled threat on two enemies before the Tank could even get into the room. Then kited away from everyone, which made tank have to chase them down, and CON forget he was a healer and start attacking (God bless limit breaks because we would have wiped from that stupidity otherwise)
It just got worse and worse as the dungeon continued. finally culminating in the archer and CON ragequitting after dieing for the sixth time, and being replaced by compentent players (We just out DPSed the enemies before the tank had to worry about gaining threat)

So lets see... Moral of the story? (and the posts)

Learn your damn class. And if you're gonna be ranged dps? Start off as THM or ARC to learn some patience and how to stand still. Before becoming lololkitemaster (because magic classes have to charge attacks and have a smaller magic pool as opposed to Physical classes which draw from the endurance pool of 1000, which recharges steadily and allows you to move while spamming buttons.)

[Viridiana]

(So apparently there's a 1000 character limit to posts. so this will be a 4 part as it's just over 3400 characters)

You can just edit your first post to bypass the limit.

[Maku]

Earlier I read something in here about someone saying how easy it is to heal others while using a controller. Yes you are absolutely correct. if you're in a party with your fellows.
Otherwise in something like a Fate, You're not in a party unless it's a boss Fate, You have to spam left or right to cycle through targets, and if you're not facing that direction sometimes the cycle will skip the person entirely. This makes it even harder when someone is moving and dragging a bunch of adds behind them. because each time they pass in front of another player. the target cycle changes and what might have selected the player to heal finally, will now target someone closer. Then huzzah! back to the mobs and miss the player entirely. Meanwhile. computer has it a little easier because you can just click the kiting mc-kiterface and heal that way.

This was I who said this. Make a macro to heal your targets target and target lock the mob and hit that button you will always cure the person the mob is currently targeting. Done. It is easy.

Learn your damn class.

And if you're gonna be ranged dps? Start off as THM or ARC to learn some patience and how to stand still. Before becoming lololkitemaster (because magic classes have to charge attacks and have a smaller magic pool as opposed to Physical classes which draw from the endurance pool of 1000, which recharges steadily and allows you to move while spamming buttons.)

THM has unlimited MP thanks to astral and umbral switching. ACN has nearly unlimited thanks to Aetherflow and Energy Drain. The two Magic DPS classes have a much more sustained pool to go from than DPS.

[Gruntler]

Nine times out of ten, an archer is more likely kiting a tank rather than kiting a mob.

Kite the mob TO the tank, and then you can stop kiting because you did your job.