[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[silentwindfr]

i will vote No
and i hope all the one that have voted Yes will read this, because it's need to clarify stuff.


1) do the summoner (the jobs) is a pet class? yes! people misunderstood 2 thing, the first one the skill from the arcanist and the skill from the summoner. you do have 5 skills (7 if you count garuda-egi and titan-egi) 3 of this 5 skill are pure pet oriented!

2) why do the summoner have dot? one more time it's because it come from the arcanist, but more important for allows you to survive if your pet are busy or dead! other point you can't compare a solo game to a mmorpg. you need balance in a mmorpg, if they had put direct damage spell to the summoner they will have been a black mage with pet. other point, the DoT give you a lot of freedom.

3) why the summoner can't be like the one from FF11? one more time for a simple reason of balance, the summoner of FF11 was horrible, the gameplay can work (barely actually) in an old game like FF11 but in a game like FF14 it's not possible.

all of this for say, people stop to compare what can't be compared and try to understand more your class, my two concern about the summoner so far are the cd of enkindle and the look of the egi that look a bit too much crystal.

[Engineer]

out of the MMO rpgs I've played, this game (the summoner class to be exact) has probably the strongest pets I've seen (in a raiding scenario), the pet does about 30% of your damage, even in WoW a warlock's pet would be lucky to reach 10% of the warlock's damage, and I hear ffxi pets are terrible but only looks huge.

Yeah but thats the problem, we got a Generic MMO pet class, a warlock/Necromancer instead of a Final Fantasy Summoner.

The FFXI Summoner was good, it just wasnt that good of a DD in parties. The mistake the XI team made was making the Avatars all similar in the sense of soloing, instead of making some Tanks, some DD, some buffer etc.

In Final Fantasy Summoners always performed through the summon to inflict the damage. In XIV we do all the damage, and the egi are a DOT with an HP bar.

I mean its called "Summoner" for a reason lol , Not Arcane Mage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtuNaJdeaiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRoX7Vq_ZAQ <--- FFXI SMN SOLO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE85y-fMRR0 <----FFX Ifrit

[Inosaska]

Yes

Filler.

[Citizen_Thom]

I like the idea of DoT rather than burst damage. I like that about playing ACN. It's about maintenance rather than timing booms right with the tank's enmity. As to whether it fits the lore of Summoner, I won't argue that. The play style of the class is fine though.

[TibTheSummoner]

I vote yes. Summoner needs to have more abilities like enkindle that make them more interactive with the pet. Also I don't need a huge avatar like in FF11 but at least make the egi's look cool. They are a fraction of the primal's power. Fine, but don't make them look so stupid.

[Arkh]

Absolutely yes, the current summoner is an insult to the "class"

[Ardan]

The FFXI Summoner was good, it just wasnt that good of a DD in parties. The mistake the XI team made was making the Avatars all similar in the sense of soloing, instead of making some Tanks, some DD, some buffer etc.

Voting no, simply because I want to avoid the catastrophe that was FFXI's summoner. Having all our damage dealt through our pet doesn't work. SE had 10+ years to make it work. TEN YEARS and it still sucks. In fact it's worse because now they're used for one ability and they sit on the sidelines.

The only avatars worth using were Garuda and Shiva, simply because they both do the highest damage in physical and magical, respectively. They made no attempt to alter them to make them more unique to each other. Or rather they did and never bothered to go back to make it better.

FFXI summoner is more of an insult to the class than XIV, because here it's actually good. Damn good even.

[LostCody]

no.
I think the class as a whole is fine as it is.
but it could 100% get a few tweaks along with some more commands for the pets besides the "just do more damage" spells.also the u.i needs a major re-work cause the whole cant command my pet while casting as a caster class is just plain dumb.

but like I said,with a little more elbow grease and hammering out the edges I think the smn in its current form is awesome and amazingly fun too play.

[Trystan]

YES

When I saw SE was making a SMN job I was so thrilled because through all of the FFs I have always loved the job of the Summoner the most. The problem with FFXIV's summoner is we are nothing more than a lame pet class. The worst part of this is the focus of the summoner is DD through optimization of our DoTs and offers very little interaction with the actual pet itself.

I was really hoping that FFXIV was going to be inventive with this opportunity and not just conform to every other MMO's standard pet class. Unfortunately I was proven wrong.

Personally, I would love to see these summons re-envisioned more as short term companions whose initial summoning does decent burst dmg or has an effect, stays for a short duration, and is dismissed either in death or a timer. They should be our main damage source, not a bunch of DoTs with a pet basically acting as another DoT.

Hm... but your dream does not work in a movement intense endgame.

If you want to cast powerfull Summons for huge burst damage - you need long cast times, meaning no mobility.

And if you can use Swiftcast with Summons (what you can do currently) you get a huge ballancing problem, because then Summons would be infinitely too powerfull.

I get where you come from... but I dont see your dream work in this game. But you are not allone, my dream of a Main-Support-Class (maybe RDM) doesnt work in a 4-man-group game either... ;-)


/edit: Forgot to vote... a NO from me.

[Trayes]

Yes

This class is not a Summoner. It is a Pokemon trainer.