Endgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!

[Tyrial]

Yes, by people in an elite FC/good friends that have being playing together for a long time/did that fight so many times they can do it blind folded. Average PuG players won't be doing that so easily.

It doesn't matter what type of FC they are in or how hardcore/casual they are. The fact that they did it in Bikinis (meaning mainly just weapons and accessories for gear) it proves that Titan is more mechanic dependent than gear dependent. All gear does is make it easier for the PUGs.

The fact remains that the OP is kind of silly seeing as what the game really needs (given the progress in coil thus far) is a difficulty increase.

[Reiterpallasch]

Regardless his reasoning is extremely retarded and as people have said, if you just want a game that has a close to zero difficulty level and just simply a grind, play WoW. Seriously that isn't meant as an insult, WoW has basically perfected the aspect of a MMO time sink to just grind at end game without much of a challenge. There is no real reason to look elsewhere if that is what you are looking for.

This is not MoP WoW, you will not receive any instant gratification here. Go back to WoW.

Some of the hardest fights in that game take hundreds upon hundreds of wipes from world class players. They raid 12 hours + a day for weeks on end to kill some of the bosses. But I guess that's easy compared to some of the bosses here where you may wipe once or twice in a pug before finally killing it.

[sasakusaku]

God, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. I am out of here, bye bye!

[Wingless_Seraph]

Perhaps if people put their egos away and toned their down judgmental response, this thread wouldn't turn into the typical push button responses that plagues these forums.

You're not going to convince the OP of anything and he's probably cleared more content consistently than most people in here responding to him. So try to look at it from his perspective and think about his angle.

First and foremost games should be about entertainment, and people talking about challenge are fooling themselves in the current state of MMOs. Your idea of overcoming the challenge is to go on youtube, watch some other guild complete the fight, and spoon feed you step-by-step instructions on how to beat the encounter. The sad part is that beyond group makeup, these boss fights in FF14 are generally so scripted there is next to no variance to how you beat them. So where does that put your difficulty? In your PT makeup and the human behind the keyboard/gamepad. Take 8 mediocre players and some of the fights (Like Titan) is nigh impossible to overcome. Take 8 players with low latency and ability to dodge and most every encounter in this game is a faceroll snooze. So I ask you? Where's the challenge?

The challenge comes in what the OP is talking about, getting 7 other people with him to complete this content, which he says has been frustrating. Anyone who has ever been a raid leader or guild leader knows that there will be times where the babysitting and human management shadows the entertainment.

MMOs don't have to be this way, they've changed a great deal and if anyone is using WoW in a bad light, well you're either biased against it with some hidden motive or not being realistic. WoW is an MMO that drastically changed its raid level content and gearing progression over the long years of success it has held onto. The reality is, challenge is a murky bog of water that scales greatly from player to player. One man's challenge is another man's faceroll, and one man's frustration is another man's goal to overcome.

Middle ground needs to be achieved. Risk versus Reward is probably what people are thinking about when they talk about challenge. In reality, I believe many more people would rather be able to log in, set a goal, and achieve it without the hassle of befriending skilled players, removing dead weight from their groups, and basically turning into someone who's more concerned with min/max than just having a decent time with random people. And that's really the jist of what I get from the OP.

Debates on the rate of content completion, subscription retention, and risk versus reward are different topics all together.

Do we make MMOs more accessible to the average player or do we make them more frustrating so that only a smaller % of the playerbase can complete it? WoW went the route of accessibility and it has earned Blizzard more money than any single game in gaming history.

Personally as someone who has a history of just generally being good at these games, I find that nothing is ever really difficult to me gameplay wise in these MMOs. It comes down to finding similar skilled players who sometimes aren't the nicest people or most engaging people to play with. I'd rather it be more casual so I can pick up and play with anyone, carry on a conversation, set an evening goal and set about completing it without giving out verbal hand jobs and cherry picking people I identify with as good players.

The bad news is that you can't please everyone without some serious finances and even then you'll have praisers and haters. And a very good developer can make challenging high risk vs reward encounters for the solo player. There is room to appease everyone, but most companies don't have those resources until after the game becomes successful and being successful generally means appeasing the majority, who, unfortunately for many of the people replying in this thread, are typically not going to be your first pick to Titan or Coil.

[Wiggles]

All you players who jump at the chance to say "Your bad, stop complaining I easy mode what you say is hard" are missing the point and trying to flaunt your "sick gamer skills". :/

I did the content fine, it took a lot of tries for COIL 1 and 2, but I did it. Yes I enjoy a challenge, and skillful games, but Skill reliant on yourself. When you have to fall back on 8 other players performing flawlessly it becomes tiresome and not fun.

Someone brought up a good point saying the game is too unforgiving. Titan for example if you miss an AOE once your pretty much done. Its not forgiving enough, we need some wiggle room (no pun intended due to my name lol).

Someone brought up that the "gear check" in DF will fix it. It will not. Im well aware knowing a fight and skill are much more important. What the game needs is a drastic re-balancing of difficulty, or just reduce all boss AOE's by 1/2 DMG. Think that would fix it pretty well.

[sasakusaku]

Perhaps if people put their egos away and toned their down judgmental response, this thread wouldn't turn into the typical push button responses that plagues these forums.

Excellent post, /tip sugar loaf hat

[Duelle]

And you are right, they went totally backawards here by not having CT at launch since its supposed to go Ifrit/AK/WP/CM/Prae/Garuada -> Titan -> CT -> Coil. By time they release CK, the gear HC guilds are acquiring right now will trivialize CT before it even get's released. That, imo, is pretty silly planning if you ask me.

Seeing the obvious stat discrepancies and the "missing tier" that is CT, witholding Crystal Tower was intentional because it would give players a wall to throw themselves at until 2.1 comes out. A less elegant version of WoW's overtuning C'thun to be mathematically unkillable without having extreme gating of content like Sunwell Plateau.

[Rutaq]

I understand your frustration but think about it....

Why should every dungeon in the game be designed towards the average player. If you wait long enough there will be new crafting gear and 4 man Dungeons that will let you overgear for Coil and then you beat it later.

What is wrong with having content that requires dedicated players to commit and work together to overcome the difficulty ?

I know it sucks to feel left out but there are plenty of other things to do in the game, level an Alt do some crafting,etc...

I have a hard time sympathizing with the solo crowd. MMOs were not designed to be solo games. Its like joining a bowling / dart league and complaining that you can't just win the tournament by yourself and that you have to depend on other players to work with you as a team.

There are alot of games out there for solo play, go play them instead of crying that group based MMOs don't cater enough to the solo players.

[Truvy]

It seems pretty simple to me...Endgame content varies. There is 'easy' content (Prae/CM/WP/Ifirit)...'Middle' content (Hydra/AK/Garuda)...and 'hard' content (Titan/Coil 1-3) ...and 'insane' content (Turn 4). Seems completly legit and reasonable to me. Face it, not everyone in the game is going to be capable of completing ALL the 'extra' content...heck SE must think so since the credits roll WAY EARLY in all this. i90 gear...is not meant to be picked up at your local walmart for cheap. It takes effort, skill, dedication to achieve...it has to mean something else they'd give you a full set when you first login. Personally, can't wait till they add the new Primals AND add a 'uber-mode' to the existing ones. Have problems with HM? Get ready for serious gear check for some cracked out uber-Titan!

[Wiggles]

For the record though I beat Turn 1 and 2 with my FC after practicing and doing it over and over. I can do all the content in the game, but I still see the problems it has, and how annoying it is to get everyone to be perfect at their roles, and even just assembling a good team.

Just my opinion though. If you disagree fine but I really dont care if you can "ez mode" content I am referring to. I highly doubt it...