Get rid of Stacking Regen/Medica II?

[Zaresin]

So whats next after they nerf whm so 2 random terribad sch can get into some groups? Some Whiny whm asking for sch nerfs, rinse and repeat? This will never end, things will never be 100% balanced. This is my point that somehow was missed.
We should work together to fix classes that are lacking so they are more balanced than nerfing 1 class to make things *balanced*.

Which why I'm not advocating nerfs or buffs rather a mechanic change and or bug fix since we don't know that the overwrite is working as intended (if you know where a dev has commented on it I would love to read it as I can't find anything). And please don't call sch that aren't doing that well "bad". Call them a work in progress. Many approach sch like they would a whm (reaction) where they need to be approached as disc priest from wow (anticipation). Give them time to learn and work with them if they are doing something wrong.

Side note: the fairy reminds me of a huntard pet. Bout as bright too.

[Garnatian]

I understand the issue about having 2 sch in a 8 man group.
So whats next after they nerf whm so 2 random terribad sch can get into some groups? Some Whiny whm asking for sch nerfs, rinse and repeat? This will never end, things will never be 100% balanced. This is my point that somehow was missed.
We should work together to fix classes that are lacking so they are more balanced than nerfing 1 class to make things *balanced*.

This isn't a nerf to WHM in any conceivable way, unless you think SCHs are bad and you want to run 2 WHMs.

[Zaresin]

This isn't a nerf to WHM in any conceivable way, unless you think SCHs are bad and you want to run 2 WHMs.

Then we have the whole "They got a class change/buff we should get one too" childish argument. Too be honest they just need to call the shield not stacking similar to regen/medica a bug so they don't run into this. Otherwise it becomes a can of worms a company does not want to open this early in he games life.

[PiedPiper]

No. Sch is fine. Whm is fine. No.

[ApolloGenX]

Whms aren't against fixing scholars... I know I'm not- I play both.

What I am against are scholars that are using the issue as a springboard to ask for undue buffs. I have seen many suggestions that increase the power of solo SCH healing without addressing the issue of 2 or more SCHs.

You can tell that some of the "buff scholar" posts are not interested in fixing the real issue- they are just using it as an excuse to ask for buffs that would benefit them, personally.

A good example is SCH asking for medica.. that doesn't fix shield collision issues. Another example is SCH asking for doubling the succor heal if there is a shield on target- that buffs solo SCH healing AND multiple SCH healing.

So far, the best idea I have seen is that if a SCH has a shield on a target- other scholars succors will heal for double and no shield. If the scholar with a shield casts on the target it will simply act as it currently does - half heal half shield overwrite.

(I am fine with adloquium working the same way using the fix above)

Problem solved. - and of course FIX THE PET.

[Raminax]

Scholars deserve Pet Control and AI fixes at least. Let all four abilities have auto-cast toggleable or something like that. Then we could perhaps talk about actual, raw buffs.

As for the actual healing... I wouldn't be surprised if Squeenix left them undertuned/weird (thinking shield stacking mechanics) on purpose until players could get a chance to experiment and play, especially if they ever took a look at the Discipline Priest's colourful history in WoW. Too poor healing output, they'd cry. Well, they got to be on par with all the other healers... except their absorbs and mitigation while also having as good healing as the other specs with different utilities more or less ruined the balance of the first raiding tier in Mists of Pandaria completely. Sure, they ended up getting nerfed, but cooldowns like Spirit Shell and Power Word: Barrier were still extremely powerful in Throne of Thunder. And last I heard, Discipline Priest absorbs were nerfed even further with Siege of Orgrimmar.

Scholars are at least extremely useful currently in my opinion: I much prefer duohealing with a competent Scholar by my side instead of having another White Mage. If anyone would like to call their absorbs or Sacred Soil "useless", be my guest. But please, stay away from screaming buff and nerf, because you're quite frankly, sorely underestimating yourself and haven't given yourself a chance.

[Lazarou742]

Honestly some people in this thread keep claiming that scholars are asking for whm nerfs, and im 99 percent sure any scholars asking for nerfs are scholars that are tired of whms telling them they cant have buffs. Now i really enjoy my class, but there are some things that really could use a fix. For instance Whms get eye for an eye from us and our trait only makes it cast more often. They also get virus. In return we get Stoneskin, at 10 percent instead of 18.... one inequality right there we get the worse end of the stick. Aoe healing we get crushed, but we would be more even if Sacred Soil had a small buff, either some sort of hot on the location or a increase in damage reduction, or even a increase in the chance for a free succor... but something. Also pet aoe heal needs to be under our control. It would make things work a bit better. On single target healing psysick and cure are the same, but they get access to a nice big heal that they can cast for free and regen, but its even out by our shield/heal plus fairy heal. They are relatively even and there is no need for any buffs in that aspect. The problem comes with this next part. Whms are stronger aoe healers, but equal healers in single target.... so why not take 2 whms. In order for a Scholar to outperform a whm they need to know exactly when each attack is coming so they can preshield and sacred soil, this requires a pretty detailed knowledge of each fight. Maybe if regen didnt stack this wouldnt be a potential issue, but regen does stack. Can they do the job? Sure... but taking the scholar is like saying i can open this door with a lockpick instead of a key, cause a good lockpick can open the door almost as easily as using a key, but why would you use the lockpick over the key?

[Incredible]

Yes you have a weaker stoneskin, but we get weaker virus and longer cooldown eye for an eye (if the whm levels up to 34 for it). If scholars want more healing power, then white mage should get more shielding. They are both fine as is. Different styles, both effective. The only true argument could be that 2 scholars in a group should be fixed to allow stacking shields.

Our coil group is 1 white mage and 1 scholar and we work very well together. I welcome the shields and prefer it to another white mage honestly.

[Garnatian]

Yes you have a weaker stoneskin, but we get weaker virus and longer cooldown eye for an eye (if the whm levels up to 34 for it). If scholars want more healing power, then white mage should get more shielding. They are both fine as is. Different styles, both effective. The only true argument could be that 2 scholars in a group should be fixed to allow stacking shields.

Our coil group is 1 white mage and 1 scholar and we work very well together. I welcome the shields and prefer it to another white mage honestly.

Eye for an Eye is a terrible skill. RNG mitgation on a CD that has that low a probability is worthless. What kills a Tank isn't continuous damage, but big hits, so Eye for an Eye serves no purpose.

Virus, while better than Eye for an Eye, the version CNJ gets is essentially as good as the ARC version. It has the same CD and all it misses out on is the INT debuff, which decreases Magic Damage, BUT GUESS WHAT, WHM get an improved Protect that gives a flat reduction on Magic Damage through the entire fight.

You talk about Shields, when the best Single Target Shield belongs to the WHM.

[ApolloGenX]

Eye for an Eye is a terrible skill. RNG mitgation on a CD that has that low a probability is worthless. What kills a Tank isn't continuous damage, but big hits, so Eye for an Eye serves no purpose.

Virus, while better than Eye for an Eye, the version CNJ gets is essentially as good as the ARC version. It has the same CD and all it misses out on is the INT debuff, which decreases Magic Damage, BUT GUESS WHAT, WHM get an improved Protect that gives a flat reduction on Magic Damage through the entire fight.

You talk about Shields, when the best Single Target Shield belongs to the WHM.

It's the only whm shield... while SCH get a host of shields that can be used. E4E, SS, Adlo... don't discount the power of the shielding toolkit, just because one ability works better for whms. As a general heal, I think Lustrate is probably the strongest direct heal in the game (not counting a CD like benediction)... that doesn't mean that whms should complain.