Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

[Sweeet]

Please see the comment 2 above yours.

Well that argument falls apart right there because that number would have dropped sharply if the RMT'ers or Gil exploits did not exist. The only reason those prices were sustainable is because of all the dirty Gil entering the game.

[Rillifane]

I could sit here and make up a huge long wall of text thread about how i "made millions in a short space of time" but without a lot of documented evidence on my part it's not going to be believable at all.

[Bibimbap]

Well that argument falls apart right there because that number would have dropped sharply if the RMT'ers or Gil exploits did not exist. The only reason those prices were sustainable is because of all the dirty Gil entering the game.

The amount of Allagan pieces given out from quests would have been lower if RMT weren't playing? Okay.

[zdub303]

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It is far more likely that darksteel ore was purchased by DoW/DoM's who rushed to 50 and wanted their relic precursor weapons asap. They already had ~300k from the questline to 50 and the 50-100k it ended up costing was a drop in the pond to be on of the first with a relic weapon. It is actually more than likely that he, as a miner, sold very very little to gil buyers. He is explicitely saying his money was made over the course of hundreds of 3xDarksteel Ore transactions, most of which would have had to have been from legit buyers, as those early early day transactions were unlikely to be dirty at that point.

It is very very clear that there was absolutely no investigation done, it was just "you had too much money, we're taking it away".

That is literally the logic that removed his money, with no actual investigation.

This didn't have to happen, and it is likely that at least 95% of his gil was legitmate and did not have to go. End of story.

[Silvyaniss]

yawnnnnn...boring...I made 1 million by just selling materia under a month some people (including me)
hate this method of you making GIL but good for you

[Sweeet]

The amount of Allagan pieces given out from quests would have been lower if RMT weren't playing? Okay.

No, people would have realised far sooner that because of Teleportation, Gear Repair, Crafting and all the other Gil sinks within the game, that they can't afford to spend such ludicrous amounts of Gil on said items. Not to mention saving for housing.

It's well documented that the limited Gil fountains are not nearly enough to counter the numerous Gil sinks within game. Ironically the answer to all those threads was "Become a crafter!" and look at where that has gotten you eh.

Those prices are unsustainable given the limited legitimate Gil fountains within game currently. The economy is already messed up due to the exploits and RMT'ers, yet people like you still trying to rob others of all their hard earned GIL from their journey to 50 for just a couple of pieces of gear... Hopefully it won't last for long when/if the economy stabilises.

[Sweeet]

It is far more likely that darksteel ore was purchased by DoW/DoM's who rushed to 50 and wanted their relic precursor weapons asap. They already had ~300k from the questline to 50 and the 50-100k it ended up costing was a drop in the pond to be on of the first with a relic weapon. It is actually more than likely that he, as a miner, sold very very little to gil buyers. He is explicitely saying his money was made over the course of hundreds of 3xDarksteel Ore transactions, most of which would have had to have been from legit buyers, as those early early day transactions were unlikely to be dirty at that point.

It is very very clear that there was absolutely no investigation done, it was just "you had too much money, we're taking it away".

That is literally the logic that removed his money, with no actual investigation.

This didn't have to happen, and it is likely that at least 95% of his gil was legitmate and did not have to go. End of story.

I think it's more likely that SE know roughly how much Gil is supposed to be in the game given population, ect. And that the /100 was the figure that would bring it in-line with where their estimates told them it should be. And not everyone with millions of Gil was flagged as far as I'm aware, only those whose sources came from Gil traced to exploits or RMT'ers.

Either way what's done is done and there is no point in crying about it now, nothing is going to reverse their policy on what has happened.

[zdub303]

No, people would have realised far sooner that because of Teleportation, Gear Repair, Crafting and all the other Gil sinks within the game, that they can't afford to spend such ludicrous amounts of Gil on said items. Not to mention saving for housing.

Not really all that true, im levelling to 50 with two of my friends, they have done almost zero crafting, and certainly havent made any money off of it, and they both have around 250k gil. Just from questing their main class to 48 and turning in allagan pieces. With very little in this game for non-crafters to bother buying, 100k for a relic precursor wep would not be that unreasonable in those early days. Now? Sure.. the market is saturated, but demand far exceeded supply in the first week.

[Bibimbap]

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Those prices were unsustainable because we only had a few days to sell that high before other people undercut us. Everything about the way we sold our items adhered to the natural progression that anyone with common sense could have predicted, hence why we decided to be server-first crafters and gatherers in the first place. And like I said, I collaborated with other players to come up with the prices for my goods, personally, and they surely didn't feel robbed about it... but I can see this going on for several posts. I tried to explain the point at hand, and you're turning it into a debate to win. I yield.

[Sweeet]

Not really all that true, im levelling to 50 with two of my friends, they have done almost zero crafting, and certainly havent made any money off of it, and they both have around 250k gil. Just from questing their main class to 48 and turning in allagan pieces. With very little in this game for non-crafters to bother buying, 100k for a relic precursor wep would not be that unreasonable in those early days. Now? Sure.. the market is saturated, but demand far exceeded supply in the first week.

Exactly, they are not being frivolous with their money, they have just been questing. Get them to 50 after running out of quests, then get them to start running end game content without doing anything else, they will soon start to see that 250k or whatever they have disappear.

Also I don't think people realised just how bad the Gil fountains were going to be in the first week, hence why so many didn't care that they were parting with so much money. In reality things are very different and people need to stop being exploited due to illegitimately inflated prices.