Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

[zdub303]

I can only imagine all the time you spent mining darksteel so that people could get their relics moving. People were happy to pay that money, and i'm sure those early days were a blast just thinking about being one ofthe only suppliers with darksteel and gold ore. So much time spent (levelling miner and then mining every 70 minutes) to get those early day relic peeps supplied.

And for what? Nothing... all that time completely wasted. You get nothing to show for it.

In your position, I would quit this game, no question. I'm playing casually with family and friends and so I will stay for them, but this is so shady and sad. Its pathetic.

ESO will be out in Spring, if we're lucky it might actually be a good alternative to those players who were completely screwed over by lazy investigative practices.

[Comicbookguy]

That's too bad. They probably thought you botted to lvl 50 miner.

The botters are still in this game so they still haven't eliminated the problem after taking gils away from innocent people.

You can tell who the botters when you see 20 stacks of Wind shard for 10 gil a shard.

Botters were selling Fleece for 200 gils a piece.

Now I see Snurble going for 90 gils a piece, stack of 20 x 99. Why would any normal person farm Snurble all day just to sell for 90 gils a piece?

[Teykos]

You realize I was selling mats and got rich selling that hundreds of players? It's impossible for me to check where their 30k came from since 30k is pretty easy to get.

If you sell a car 20 000$ and it's bought with dirty money they will take back the 20 000, probly open an investigation if it happen often but they won't take 99% of the money you made so far along with it...

Unless, of course, you spent that $20,000 already, or at least dropped your total funds enough so that the remaining fake money + your real money < $20,000.

Or are you trying to claim that not only were you making money, you spent exactly 0 gil of it on repairs, gear, teleports, and so forth?

[Estellios]

Luckily for myself I have yet to sell anything on the market wards so think that is why I escaped the wipe as all my Gil came from 1.0. Was anyone else in my situation and brought all there Gil over from 1.0 and not had it striped from them?

Very few people were affected on Legacy servers because it was plausible for there to be people with millions of gil due to old money. It's the entire reason why Legacy players couldn't move to new servers when we had transfers before the start of ARR.

[Bibimbap]

This is exactly the kind of factual reason that people don't want to accept. It's insufferable.

[Reiterpallasch]

Here's how people really made millions within the first few days: They did the same thing they've been doing all along, only as part of a vastly inflated economy due to RMT. As such, items sold for significantly more than they should have.

Edit: Or they bought it, which is clear by all the people who had their "hard earned gil" taken away from them.

[Bibimbap]

Here's how people really made millions within the first few days: They did the same thing they've been doing all along, only as part of a vastly inflated economy due to RMT. As such, items sold for significantly more than they should have.

If you actually want to discuss this, I don't think this argument can remotely apply to anything before 2-star items, which was not the bank-maker for every player. Prices were set to begin with by the amount of gil players had from beating the game, a number completely unaffected by RMT, and being server firsts, it's only natural for things to come at a premium price. There's nothing RMT-inflated about charging 100k for the first batch of relic-quest weapons, or selling the mats needed to make them.

[Matsume]

There is an obvious deviation between legacy servers and new servers that should be pointed out. This all has to do with supply and demand.

3 DS ores on market: 13k each
3 DS ores to player who sent me teels directly: 10k each
3 DS ores to some friendly FCs: 7k each

Now, I was also the only provider for gold sand (9k each), gold ores (9k each, cheaper for GSM friends), coblyn larva (15k, mining pet and yes people bought them, a lot), grade 3 matter (4k each), clusters (1k each).

Sargatanas is a Legacy server, meaning many 1.0 players already came into the game with lvl 50's and loads of gil. I was the top geared miner/botanist on my server for the first week or so beginning early access. However, many of us had figured out what we needed to gather the unspoiled nodes within the first few hours of the game. Before long, there was a steady supply of all materials flooding the markets.

You, on the other hand, appear to be on a non legacy servers and were able to take advantage of supply and demand mechanics by being the highest level miner before anyone else.

You sold DS ores for 4.3k a piece...

On my server, you were lucky to get 2K a pop from them on the first day of EA. Before long, prices dropped to 1K. Today, you can get them for 250-400gil a piece depending on current stock.

The same can be said for gold ore and crawler cocoons. You could get about 2000 gil a piece for the first few days after EA, however they quickly dropped to 1K as well. Today, gold ore sells for about 3-400 gil a piece, and crawler cocoons for 500 gil.

Gold sand was pretty much worthless right off the bat since the supply exceeded demand within the first few hours of the game. Whereas I could mine gold sand and coblyn larva within a few hours from entering early access, there were no summoners or scholars yet at that level able to use this item, and there would not be for at least 2 days. That market bubble burst before it even began.

The prices you were charging for NQ on a non legacy server are closer to the prices us Legacy gatherers were charging for HQ items. Granted, our server had a lot of supply, and demand, as well as an excess of gil. However, there was no bottleneck such as in your case, where one player could control the market by being server first. To be hoenst, I am surprised players wantonly spent their money on your materials for such outrageous prices, but that is the market life.

In the end, you got 9 mil taken away from you for no good reason.

I completely follow your logic that any high level player buying your materials would have made 3-500K legitimate gil from quest rewards at the time and that they could have spent that gil on your mats. So why are you the one being disciplined? Even if they did pay for those items with duplicated/RMT gil, why should your hard earned gil be taken away without compensation?

What about those players who bought gil, bought your materials, and made themselves some fancy HQ items? Were those items removed from them? Were they suspended? It just doesn't seem right to me that the person who bought the gil and spent it on items should be left smelling like a rose but the hard working crafters and gatherers who legitimately earned their gil and sold those items are being targeted for gil removal.

...so what if you were charging outrageous prices, people could have waited.

[Sweeet]

What you people who lost all their Gil don't seem to understand, is that no matter how legitimately you think you got your Gil, it was still dirty money. Prices for all the mats you sold where inflated because of Gil exploits, RMT'ers and the people who bought their dirty Gil. No matter how cheated you feel, in order for the economy to remain stable all that dirty Gil had to be taken out.

So please stop with all the whining, yes we know it sucks and I honestly feel bad for you. But in order for the game to survive without the stain of Gil exploits and RMT'ers, that odd 367 BILLION Gil had to be removed. It really is unfortunate you guys and gals were caught in the cross-hairs, but that's the way it is and unfortunately for you, the way it has to be.

TLDR: Yes you may have been legitimate earners, but said Gil was far from legitimate therefore it had to go. End of story.

[Bibimbap]

What you people who lost all their Gil don't seem to understand, is that no matter how legitimately you think you got your Gil, it was still dirty money. Prices for all the mats you sold where inflated because of Gil exploits, RMT'ers and the people who bought their dirty Gil. No matter how cheated you feel, in order for the economy to remain stable all that dirty Gil had to be taken out.

So please stop with all the whining, yes we know it sucks and I honestly feel bad for you. But in order for the game to survive without the stain of Gil exploits and RMT'ers, that odd 367 BILLION Gil had to be removed. It really is unfortunate you guys and gals were caught in the cross-hairs, but that's the way it is and unfortunately for you, the way it has to be.

TLDR: Yes you may have been legitimate earners, but said Gil was far from legitimate therefore it had to go. End of story.

Please see the comment 2 above yours.