Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

[Sweeet]

The amount of Allagan pieces given out from quests would have been lower if RMT weren't playing? Okay.

No, people would have realised far sooner that because of Teleportation, Gear Repair, Crafting and all the other Gil sinks within the game, that they can't afford to spend such ludicrous amounts of Gil on said items. Not to mention saving for housing.

It's well documented that the limited Gil fountains are not nearly enough to counter the numerous Gil sinks within game. Ironically the answer to all those threads was "Become a crafter!" and look at where that has gotten you eh.

Those prices are unsustainable given the limited legitimate Gil fountains within game currently. The economy is already messed up due to the exploits and RMT'ers, yet people like you still trying to rob others of all their hard earned GIL from their journey to 50 for just a couple of pieces of gear... Hopefully it won't last for long when/if the economy stabilises.

[zdub303]

No, people would have realised far sooner that because of Teleportation, Gear Repair, Crafting and all the other Gil sinks within the game, that they can't afford to spend such ludicrous amounts of Gil on said items. Not to mention saving for housing.

Not really all that true, im levelling to 50 with two of my friends, they have done almost zero crafting, and certainly havent made any money off of it, and they both have around 250k gil. Just from questing their main class to 48 and turning in allagan pieces. With very little in this game for non-crafters to bother buying, 100k for a relic precursor wep would not be that unreasonable in those early days. Now? Sure.. the market is saturated, but demand far exceeded supply in the first week.

[Sweeet]

Not really all that true, im levelling to 50 with two of my friends, they have done almost zero crafting, and certainly havent made any money off of it, and they both have around 250k gil. Just from questing their main class to 48 and turning in allagan pieces. With very little in this game for non-crafters to bother buying, 100k for a relic precursor wep would not be that unreasonable in those early days. Now? Sure.. the market is saturated, but demand far exceeded supply in the first week.

Exactly, they are not being frivolous with their money, they have just been questing. Get them to 50 after running out of quests, then get them to start running end game content without doing anything else, they will soon start to see that 250k or whatever they have disappear.

Also I don't think people realised just how bad the Gil fountains were going to be in the first week, hence why so many didn't care that they were parting with so much money. In reality things are very different and people need to stop being exploited due to illegitimately inflated prices.

[C-croft]

Exactly, they are not being frivolous with their money, they have just been questing. Get them to 50 after running out of quests, then get them to start running end game content without doing anything else, they will soon start to see that 250k or whatever they have disappear.

Also I don't think people realised just how bad the Gil fountains were going to be in the first week, hence why so many didn't care that they were parting with so much money. In reality things are very different and people need to stop being exploited due to illegitimately inflated prices.

There is no problem with the gil generation in this game. There is a problem with personal wealth. As a DoW/M people should be spiritbonding to make materia, use their garbage leves, or farming mats for crafter resell. It becomes a problem when DoW/M state they don't want to do this or that they shouldn't have to, a personal problem. Crafter/Gatherers have access and ability to make over 500,000 gil every 17 weeks off leves.

[Sweeet]

There is no problem with the gil generation in this game. There is a problem with personal wealth. As a DoW/M people should be spiritbonding to make materia, use their garbage leves, or farming mats for crafter resell. It becomes a problem when DoW/M state they don't want to do this or that they shouldn't have to, a personal problem. Crafter/Gatherers have access and ability to make over 500,000 gil every 17 weeks off leves.

It's not that they don't want to, it's that realistically most people don't have the time. Grinding out end game content consumes so much time that it leaves little for anything else. I don't know any MMO out there currently that doesn't at least cover your repair costs from running end game content within said content itself. This game unfortunately does not, well not yet.

[C-croft]

It's not that they don't want to, it's that realistically most people don't have the time. Grinding out end gamecontent consumes so much time that it leaves little for anything else. I don't know any MMO out there currently that doesn't at least cover your repair costs from running end game content within said content itself. This game unfortunately does not, well not yet.

Most other games also do not allow you to change classes on the fly. Grinding end game content is not even that hard. 8 AK runs and you are myth capped. You can get full DL while you are waiting for about 55 CM runs, but you aren't forced to do it right away. The option is there and open to people. Unless you are a progression FC and are racing for world/server first, you have the option to spend some time to make money. The fact that people choose not to and the fact that they loathe to work a little extra is not a server problem, it's a personal lifestyle problem. During those CMAK runs, spiritbonding materia is the way to go. On goblin battledance goes for 30k a piece, Amber gear is 2k-5k. I used two for my relic quest, but am selling one battledance and two savage mights for 32k and 16kx2 respectively. That's more than enough to carry my repair bill for a while. Also, you know what DoW/M can farm that crafters can't? Potash, coke, etc. Goblin avg price is 30k. After 5 CM runs, you could have 120k gil by selling to crafters. THAT is your upkeep money. Don't worry about the gil. If need be, a crafter can make their money through leves or by reselling on the market, but asking for more gil generation is really only asking for more inflation since they reduced the gil sinks.

[Sweeet]

Most other games also do not allow you to change classes on the fly. Grinding end game content is not even that hard. 8 AK runs and you are myth capped. You can get full DL while you are waiting for about 55 CM runs, but you aren't forced to do it right away. The option is there and open to people. Unless you are a progression FC and are racing for world/server first, you have the option to spend some time to make money. The fact that people choose not to and the fact that they loathe to work a little extra is not a server problem, it's a personal lifestyle problem. During those CMAK runs, spiritbonding materia is the way to go. On goblin battledance goes for 30k a piece, Amber gear is 2k-5k. I used two for my relic quest, but am selling one battledance and two savage mights for 32k and 16kx2 respectively. That's more than enough to carry my repair bill for a while. Also, you know what DoW/M can farm that crafters can't? Potash, coke, etc. Goblin avg price is 30k. After 5 CM runs, you could have 120k gil by selling to crafters. THAT is your upkeep money. Don't worry about the gil. If need be, a crafter can make their money through leves or by reselling on the market, but asking for more gil generation is really only asking for more inflation since they reduced the gil sinks.

Having enough to cover the cost of repairs from running the end game content itself is hardly asking for much. It's such a small deal MMO's have been doing it for years, because they know they also have to cater to those who may only have a couple of hours per night to invest.

I'm not saying make end game content a viable means to make Gil like your post suggests, I simply believe that they need to make running end game content a viable means of repairing your gear for those who have limited time to play. If they want other perks then yes by all means they should have to work for it.

[Bibimbap]

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Those prices were unsustainable because we only had a few days to sell that high before other people undercut us. Everything about the way we sold our items adhered to the natural progression that anyone with common sense could have predicted, hence why we decided to be server-first crafters and gatherers in the first place. And like I said, I collaborated with other players to come up with the prices for my goods, personally, and they surely didn't feel robbed about it... but I can see this going on for several posts. I tried to explain the point at hand, and you're turning it into a debate to win. I yield.

[Sweeet]

Those prices were unsustainable because we only had a few days to sell that high before other people undercut us. Everything about the way we sold our items adhered to the natural progression that anyone with common sense could have predicted, hence why we decided to be server-first crafters and gatherers in the first place. And like I said, I collaborated with other players to come up with the prices for my goods, personally, and they surely didn't feel robbed about it... but I can see this going on for several posts. I tried to explain the point at hand, and you're turning it into a debate to win. I yield.

I don't want to win anything, I just want to stop seeing crafter's being butthurt that they lost all their Gil. There's still a very high probability that a significant amount of Gil you earned was illegitimate, that was the only point I was trying to get across. If you are not butthurt and I applaud you if that is the case, then good for you, now you can get on with your FFXIV life and start earning some more Gil.