Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Cairdeas]

I know several members of the forum would disagree with your first sentence, but that's a completely different topic.

Player nostalgia is a side-effect.

I understand what you mean by roles and you're right. I had to heal a party as a gladiator and was able to. I was a healer for a short time, but I was not a white mage. You're adding words into the mix.

Class - Job - Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Hat

same thing :P FF: 4 Heroes of Light used the Hats to depict the Jobs. worked great actually.

[BloodLotus]

Class = Weapon
Job = Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Hat

same thing :P FF: 4 Heroes of Light used the Hats to depict the Jobs. worked great actually.

The other game doesn't matter, but how about this.

Class = weapon
Job = skill set optimized for partying.
Roll...Role = tank, healer, dps

*roll* geez

[Cairdeas]

The other game doesn't matter, but how about this.

Class = weapon
Job = skill set optimized for partying.
Roll = tank, healer, dps

What do you think a Set of skills optimized for partying is? Its your Role being Defined for you.

A White Mage will get access to a bunch of cure spells, esuna spells, and defense spells. It'll be a Healer. So there for White Mage's Role is Healer.

[BloodLotus]

What do you think a Set of skills optimized for partying is? Its your Role being Defined for you.

A White Mage will get access to a bunch of cure spells, esuna spells, and defense spells. It'll be a Healer. So there for White Mage's Role is Healer.

The set of skills optimized for partying is what SE is develping right now. Yes it is my role being defined for me.

Yes a white mage's role is a Healer.

[Cairdeas]

The set of skills optimized for partying is what SE is develping right now. Yes it is my role being defined for me.

Yes a white mage's role is a Healer.

So if your role and skills are defined for you there no reason to lock you to a specific weapon.

[BloodLotus]

So if your role and skills are defined for you there no reason to lock you to a specific weapon.

Your weapon is locked to your class.
Your class (may be) locked to your job.
Your job is locked to a set of skills.
Your set of skills is locked to your role.

I'll try it the other way too.

Your Class is locked to your Weapon.
Your Job is locked to your Class. (Maybe)
Your Skills are locked to your Job. (The skills that were mentioned in the post)
Your Role is locked to your Skills.

[Cairdeas]

Your weapon is locked to your class.
Your class (may be) locked to your job.
Your job is locked to a set of skills.
Your set of skills is locked to your role.

Why do you keep using Class and Weapon as if they are two different things?

Anyway if thats how you want it thats fine.

How I'd prefer it is

You Equip your weapon and are identified as being a user of that weapon.

When you level your weapon skill up to the appropriate rank you learn to specialize in a specialized role.

This role is given a name and called your Job (Job and Role are synonyms after all.)

Once you master this Role/Job you are now able to equip any weapon you want and perform the same role as long as your skill with said new weapon is on part with the requirements of the Role.

[Reika]

Like i said earilier, your job may not be locked to your class, or vice versa. Class is still changed by equpping a different weapon, job stays the same.

The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.

In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded. Now, you didn’t hear this from me, but there are also rumors circulating that quests for obtaining job-exclusive equipment are also in the pipes.
We at the development team are currently hard at work on the job system, and expect to have details to share with you soon.

And the above underline says what i said as well. you will lose access to certain class skills and/or spells, while gaining new ones specific to the job.

[Amineri]

Class = Weapon
Job = Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Hat

same thing :P FF: 4 Heroes of Light used the Hats to depict the Jobs. worked great actually.

Cairdeas, your thought here exploded in my head.

So, I realize that the developers probably already have something in mind regarding jobs and how they will interact with classes. One point I found interesting was that Matsui-san listed Classes & Jobs both under the Armoury title heading, implying that both are going to be considered as a part of revamped system. How would job fit under Armoury?

Let my blatant and wild speculation begin...

After reaching appropriate class rank (e.g. rank 20 conjurer), a new quest becomes available to unlock a job (e.g. Black Mage).
After completing the quest, your character gains the attribute Level 1 in the job (e.g. Black Mage), and receives a job-specific piece of gear (e.g. Black Mage hat).

In this example, equipping the Black Mage hat then is what sets your job to Black Mage. Additionally, the Level 1 Black Mage ability / trait is granted by that very hat. At rank 25 Conjurer, a quest opens up to unlock Level 2 Black Mage, and grants an item Black Mage Robe. Again, the level 2 Black Mage Robe grants the level 2 Black mage ability.

Now is where the fun could really begin. Now, clearly job gear would have to preclude mixing and matching with other job gear, in order to preserve job definition / role. However, additional forms of Job Gear could be made available! That is, multiple types of Black Mage hats: some could be craftable, some available from quests, some available from NMs, and perhaps some available as rewards from Grand Companies. Each of the hats could have different stats and possibly different attributes.

With six basic pieces of gear, and the addition of four zero slot cost job-specific pieces of jewelry, 10 levels of a job could be defined by gear (I suppose you could add two more via job specific underwear ).

Now, how does this relate jobs to classes? Simple, simple, each piece of job-specific gear would have its own set of required classes. Those pieces of gear that grant the most powerful abilities may be restricted to only one class, while more moderate abilities could be opened up to several classes.

This system would give a fair amount of freedom to players to be able to mix and match weapons (i.e. classes) with jobs, and everything would fall naturally under the armoury system. It also would give the developers the tools to directly limit the more obviously broken combinations, or the combinations that don't fit in with the world lore as it is envisioned.

That said, it's all a pipe-dream, and I'll just have to see how it turns out.

[Reika]

I hope it isn't equipment that sets your job, because that would just be MORE inventory space to use up. If anything it should be . . . . . . Moogles