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  1. #11
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    Xbob42's Avatar
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    Sentinel Smith
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    lol@thinking spamming flash on the 1.5 sec internal global cooldown mixed with riot blade would produce anywhere near viable threat for single targets. It'd make AOE tanking easier, but that's about it. It'd just mean I wouldn't have to waste a full GCD to weave flash into my tanking rotation, which is usually not viable unless I need to regen TP.
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  2. #12
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    Nibb Omniseer
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RapBreon View Post
    Regardless, it's still a very questionable idea. For the fact you could go crazy at the start dropping 1.5k mana worth of flashes + Halones. Then riot blade it back with your lead. Nothing would ever pull from you.

    @OP; this game has long GCD's because it wants to make meaningful choices with your long GCD's, there is rarely any low cool-down non-GCD linked abilities (if any). Flash for a Paladin is actually one; do you need the AoE threat or the blind, or do you need to use that global on a bigger threat source or survival? Better than just blind-blind-blind-wait-blind because it costs you nothing.
    Truth is that would not hold threat if that's honestly all you did, especially when you start using riot blade to get your MP back. This argument is what people keep saying, but honestly if flash was off the GCD I highly doubt everyone would suddenly start spamming it and using it over your main abilities. This change is more for convenience sakes rather than a buff or nerf.
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  3. #13
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    Paikis Pryslack
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    Coeurl
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    If you want easy AoE threat, roll a Warrior. It's what I did.

    What you are suggesting would allow you to use Fast blade -> riot blade as your combo for every GCD, and then in between you could hit Flash every time.

    GCD1: Circle of Scorn, Spirits Within, Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD2: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD3: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD4: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD5: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD6: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD7: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD8: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD9: Fast Blade, Flash

    Does no one else see a problem with this?
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    If you want easy AoE threat, roll a Warrior. It's what I did.

    What you are suggesting would allow you to use Fast blade -> riot blade as your combo for every GCD, and then in between you could hit Flash every time.

    GCD1: Circle of Scorn, Spirits Within, Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD2: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD3: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD4: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD5: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD6: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD7: Fast Blade, Flash
    GCD8: Riot Blade, Flash
    GCD9: Fast Blade, Flash

    Does no one else see a problem with this?
    Guess you never bothered to read my reply earlier.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibb View Post
    You exaggerate the outcome by an extreme amount, most likely because you're a marauder and have some personal vendetta against anything PLD related.
    You mean this part? OK, I have 50 MRD as well as 50 PLD. PLD was my first 50, I have Relics on both, and I swap between them depending on content. I also raid Coil on both.

    Speaking as someone who plays a PLD for about half my game time, your idea is bad. No. Get out.
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  6. #16
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nibb View Post
    Truth is that would not hold threat if that's honestly all you did, especially when you start using riot blade to get your MP back. This argument is what people keep saying, but honestly if flash was off the GCD I highly doubt everyone would suddenly start spamming it and using it over your main abilities. This change is more for convenience sakes rather than a buff or nerf.
    If it's off the global it will be spammed in a macro with your REAL threat gen abilities.

    FoF > Normal threat combo (Fast > Savage > Halone) with flash being spammed WHILST that is happening would give you an ABSURD lead. You could riot blade back to full and people wouldn't catch you. People can't catch me now, let alone with 5-6 free flashes chucked in. You wouldn't even need to Riot blade back the mana on a single target fight.

    I agree spamming riot blade would be a scrub tier. But used right this change just makes generating a gap even easier than it is now.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    You mean this part? OK, I have 50 MRD as well as 50 PLD. PLD was my first 50, I have Relics on both, and I swap between them depending on content. I also raid Coil on both.

    Speaking as someone who plays a PLD for about half my game time, your idea is bad. No. Get out.
    Actually, no, not that part, but good job showing your mature side.
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  8. #18
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    Illyasviel Einzbern
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    Considering Flash has Blind associated with it, it's already OP enough for PLDs. You can dodge certain attacks 100% by using Flash at the right moment, letting you use it off GCD would remove what tiny bit of challenge Titan HM has left for a PLD.
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  9. #19
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    Sakasa Kuro
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    Balmung
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    Armorer Lv 58
    Actually that would be a buff to warrior to if it kept the same cd as it is now just of GCD. The problem with this is they would have to give flash a larger cooldown similiar to that of provoke. And to balance that they would have to make overpower match flash. So really doing so would actually make tanking harder across the board because they would have to balance it. So really that would make sure no tank has reliable AOE hate generation which would be bad and limiting the field.
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  10. #20
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    Kristian Fortnox
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I believe the Flash in the GCD is fine as it. I am new to this community forum maybe I have no say on anything but I wanna give my two cents. I don't mind that Flash is GCD because I have combo to keep enmity to single target and muitl-enemies. Let's say that it's no on the GCD we have to make it fair right? So longer cooldown time will be nice or MP Cost Higher or effect cerent numbers of enemies. It depends what you want I say flash is fine as it is.
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