Turn 5 Downed by JP Group? Exploits or Legit?

[Puppell]

all stats into str is the best way to go...hence the lower hp?

[Yuichi]

I am curious to, but on a side note during WOTK and some CATA that one "best guild" used exploits to get worlds first then reported so they safe and people still counted it, so would this count to or we doing double standards?

[Xilrasis]

I am curious to, but on a side note during WOTK and some CATA that one "best guild" used exploits to get worlds first then reported so they safe and people still counted it, so would this count to or we doing double standards?

Which encounters/exploits would you be referring to? Genuinely curious -- wracking my brain and can't recall which they may be.

[Yuichi]

Which encounters/exploits would you be referring to? Genuinely curious -- wracking my brain and can't recall which they may be.

Ulduar with the flower buff stealing from mages is first that comes to mind. Forgot guild name but they did a few more and never got banned because they reported and people put it on that one site as record. They EU based not the NA one. They one that said "hard more yogg impossible" till STARS did it.

[Xilrasis]

Ulduar with the flower buff stealing from mages is first that comes to mind. Forgot guild name but they did a few more and never got banned because they reported and people put it on that one site as record. They EU based not the NA one. They one that said "hard more yogg impossible" till STARS did it.

Yeah Hodir with flower power on mages was questionable, but I'm pretty sure they got the first legitimate kill as well anyway. I can't remember for certain.

As for Yogg, it was touted as a mathematical impossibility (rather than a mechanical one) and stars simply mathematically stacked more affliction warlocks than everyone else. :P. Eventually gear levels reached the point that this was no longer necessary, but hardly an exploit.

[Yuichi]

Yeah Hodir with flower power on mages was questionable, but I'm pretty sure they got the first legitimate kill as well anyway. I can't remember for certain.

As for Yogg, it was touted as a mathematical impossibility (rather than a mechanical one) and stars simply mathematically stacked more affliction warlocks than everyone else. :P. Eventually gear levels reached the point that this was no longer necessary, but hardly an exploit.

yeah the Star was not an exploit just super smart planing. The other guild got kills after exploits. not Exodus it was like SK gaming or something. Anyways it happened no biggie, this is curious to me. Especially turn 3 secret boss.

[Deculture]

Ensidia didn't get touched for flower power. The Yogg exploit was reported to GMs (a long with a lengthy explanation on how to replicate it) and everyone involved still got 72hr bans. The only other WoTLK exploit that I recall was normal 25m LK, where Ensidia got banned for saronite bombing the throne down to avoid I think the valks in the last phase. I didn't play during Cata but a lot of guilds got banned in Dragon Soul for abusing something iirc.

But yeah, offtopic.

[Risbyn]

Yes, let me get right on checking and linking the achievements of every single character that plays this game so that I can "prove" that we were indeed second. Instead, my postulate is that since not one single person has claimed or provided evidence otherwise, that it is entirely likely that it is true. Meanwhile, for you to prove this false, you merely need to provide evidence of one single character to the contrary. Have you done so? No. Didn't think so (hint: they don't exist, anyway) The burden of proof is on you, buddy.

The purpose of the "world second" comments were to provide a frame of reference for our good readers in the time gaps between first and second kills, and legacy and non-legacy, since they so conveniently coincide with the discussion. Additionally, they reinforce that due to this status, we approached every encounter with no prior knowledge of what was in front of us. Please feel free to prove me wrong, but all evidence points in my favor.

No offense to your Free Company, Xilrasis, as you do have a lot of our respect, Legacy of Sargatanas have beaten Modified to Turn 1 on 2013-08-31. I believe we've both completed Turn 2 on the same day 2013-09-04 (I think we'd actually need the time of day to figure that one out) and you've overtaken us on Turn 4 as that is for sure 99.9% your world second record. We're not very active on the Lodestone forums as we tend to keep to ourselves mostly, but I only speak to correct you mostly as a matter of personal pride as a member in the Free Company to which I belong.

Edit: I corrected the 100% to 99.9%

[BlossomRose]

Etc.

I wouldn't even be so quick to say "world record", unless you have someone who talks fluent Japanese to go check on the other side of the server border. At most I would say "NA servers record" but even then you can't account for people who keep quiet and see no interest in bragging. Yes, those people exist, even in progression groups. Not every progression group wants to have to deal with constant /tells, questions, people wanting into the FC/LS, etc.

[Risbyn]

I wouldn't even be so quick to say "world record", unless you have someone who talks fluent Japanese to go check on the other side of the server border. At most I would say "NA servers record" but even then you can't account for people who keep quiet and see no interest in bragging. Yes, those people exist, even in progression groups. Not every progression group wants to have to deal with constant /tells, questions, people wanting into the FC/LS, etc.

Still though, I understand where Modified is coming from. Until someone else comes up and says, "Hey, we've done this!", there really is no way of knowing for sure. Best way? Get your name out there. That usually stirs people to come out. There is a lot of prestige that comes from this. I think it's fun, (mostly)friendly, and highly competitive atmosphere with a mixture of pride in this thing we do for "Worlds First". I've read the thread, a poster attacked Modified and pretty much challenged their pride as a Free Company. Xilrasis only defended his/her friends and comrades and rightly so with their achievements.