Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[Gamina]

Fix the tank classes. They are boring as hell

I am sure there are plenty of threads out there for things like this but this thread is about fixing something that is a fundamental mechanic of the game and is not working. Regardless of the jobs and peoples opinion of them if you are a tank, a healer or a DD and you go into a lag ridden fight you are going to get hit by a move you think you have avoided, on a bad move get killed and then dropped by your party, shouted at for not knowing your stuff or fail countless times so you just don't want to keep trying.

The game is built on no other real strategy than moving out of the big glowing hurt zones and if you cannot do this (through no fault of your own) then you either have to give up, get a group to do it for you (whether you buy or get help elsewhere) or keep trying to memorize moves before they happen which i still not fool proof all the time and not FUN (and lets remember this is a game...).

[Namko]

I score under 200ms on average on reaction tests (200 or so is average for human beings), can dodge everything in every other MMO on the planet but still have trouble with Titan at times.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/

Post your scores!!!

250.4 average - damn I'm slow ; ;

[Mishari]

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/

Post your scores!!!

250.4 average - damn I'm slow ; ;

Do you want to tell us something? >_>

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Titan HM seems to lag excessively - packets only seem to send every 300ms regardless of your ping to the server. There is certainly a significant disparity between position on the client screen and position as interpreted by the server.

I'm not versed enough in network coding so I'll throw this question here: is it possible that this 300ms is not due to the servers but to the PS3 hardware which would be unable to send updates more often in a massive environment? We have some pretty responsive FPS with small maps and few players on consoles, but in the grander setting of an MMO, would there be such a thing as a bottleneck due to that old hardware?

Should the answer is yes, for uniformity's sake between the clients ─PC/PS3, each player being treated equally─ then it would explain why we're all stuck to a 300ms update delay.

A possible workaround would be to have a variant of the netcode taking over within instances (which given the limited amount of players are very much comparable to FPS and other console multiplayer online games in terms of network bottlenecking, or so I'd wager), so that these 300ms get reduced to 30ms or so. I know the issue isn't so much of a problem in the open world (weak mobs, slow casts), but it's specifically in instances, and typically on bosses, that the problem seems to be out of control.

Is that reasoning any valid by computer science theory/practice?

[Anakhu]

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/

Post your scores!!!

250.4 average - damn I'm slow ; ;

307 , that good or bad?

nvm, I only clicked it once lol. 5 times I got a 260.2

2nd try 217 , not sure wth these scores even represent lol. kinda fun for just waking up 10 min ago

[Dhex]

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The tool shows the time it takes (measured in milliseconds) for the human body (eyes/nervous system/muscles) to react to visual stimuli (red becoming green). On average people tend to err between 255ms and 350ms of delay while light is interpreted by the brain, commands are sent via nervous system, and the physical action is acted out. Basically all of humanity has a certain amount of physical "lag" when tested. (I scored 220ms - 300ms - 315ms - 250ms - 230ms)

If you're scoring a 300 that's 300ms then you need remember to consider this number on-top of the time it takes a data packet to get to the server (Montreal) and back to your computer (this is what latency is) which can be anywhere between (or beyond) 90~300+ms for many players - humans however tend to overcome their deficiency by "predicting" or "expecting" certain actions -> I know X boss is going to use Y move at point Z. I don't need to react I can be proactive and move early thereby nullifying my "human" latency.

The issue many players experience when playing is usually this; they are "re-actively" or "proactively" moving to avoid attacks but the round-trip of the data packet to the server is not sync'd with their visual stimuli (Client->Server relationship). In other words - the game isn't showing you what it's "seeing" making situations where you get hit by an area of effect while being clear on your own client-side screen entirely possible - more than possible when the server seems to only update position information every 300ms!

[reality_check]

Should the answer is yes, for uniformity's sake between the clients ─PC/PS3, each player being treated equally─ then it would explain why we're all stuck to a 300ms update delay.

I doubt this is a PS3 limitations problem. All the newer generation fighting and FPS games have incredible (and I mean, incredible) netcoding.

If Soul Calibur 5, Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs Capcom (all of which incorporate millisecond required responses from players on both end) can feel like butter on PS3, there is no excuse that an MMORPG can't feel the same way.

[Tupsi]

I doubt this is a PS3 limitations problem. All the newer generation fighting and FPS games have incredible (and I mean, incredible) netcoding.

If Soul Calibur 5, Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs Capcom (all of which incorporate millisecond required responses from players on both end) can feel like butter on PS3, there is no excuse that an MMORPG can't feel the same way.

...Did you just compare non MMORPGs to an MMORPG? Have you ever seen the backend for either of these?

[Gamina]

I shouldn't be shocked but 85 pages, 85 pages of largely people suffering the same issue and yet no official input on this at all. Man I love SE.

[Fuz]

They're trying to sweep it under the rug, because it's something that can heavily affects sales and subscriptions.


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Like that is gonna happen.