9 Coke required now? (or other)

[Nenin]

Holy crap, I just checked the darksteel haubergeon and compared it to the darklight cuirass, the darklight cuirass is a bit less than 100 tokens under the double amount of a regular 495 token piece while the darksteel is TWICE the amount of coke than the regular 1125 token piece, that is 2250 TOKENS! 2250!

Was SE high when they calculated this crap?

Hi-elixirs require 9 lime sulphur to make 3, or roughly the same cost as an Astrolabe...

This whole tome ingredient system seems shoddy and hastily thrown together. What bothers me the most is I've not seen a single community rep response acknowledging this gamebreaking issue. The didn't even take 30 minutes to rebalance the two-star crafts after making everything require tomestones but crafters have to deal with this nightmare system for months.

[Fyreus]

In terms of long-term effects on server economies, I think this is a good thing (assuming they fix the lack of gil generation) with the perspective from rolling on a new server. I can ding 50 and buy a set of the crafted gear. I don't have to farm whatsoever. The benefit is a trade-off for large amounts of gil on the market board.

IMO, this is why it should be more expensive than Darklight. Nobody has to level crafting, and there should be a trade-off in ease of effort for self-sufficiency. When geared, players can run dungeons for more Tomes to pick up mats to sell. Your buddy can't play until November, but he wants to raid with you when he gets on? Well you can help him buy his way in.

There are far more pro's to this system than a system of complete self-sufficiency, from an economic standpoint. I think people are stuck in the idea of "I pick crafting to supplement my main", but this is a different crafting system that is more in the sandboxy direction. When I played a Blacksmith/Tailor in Ultima Online, crafting was a different game. Your goal is perfecting your crafts, and making gil. The goal in UO's system was never to be a great adventurer by way of your crafted gear. There is a lot of profit to be made for savvy trades/crafts-men here. I like that.

I'm going to take this idea and run with it by adding this: It's not like you can't run a CM twice or three times a day for 9 cokes. 15 CM runs = 1 body or legs for tanks (although Vanya users... my apologies as your stuff will take longer (but less with a friend or group!)) and it's really not as bad anymore now that i look at it from that perspective...

[Aemun]

Hi-elixirs require 9 lime sulphur to make 3, or roughly the same cost as an Astrolabe...

This whole tome ingredient system seems shoddy and hastily thrown together. What bothers me the most is I've not seen a single community rep response acknowledging this gamebreaking issue. The didn't even take 30 minutes to rebalance the two-star crafts after making everything require tomestones but crafters have to deal with this nightmare system for months.

But you see responses to hat hair, vanity stuff, miqote butts, and other stuff that is far less important and probably not as easy for the devs to change.

[Alise]

Still no word about fixing this silly & non-sense biased?

[Asiaine]

I looked at the cost for Astral Bracelet.
It wants 18 peacock ore.
18 Peacock Ore costs 18 * 125 = 2,250 tomestones of philosophy

Each CM run gives you 100. Therefore you will need to run CM 22.5 (23) times to have the material for one bracelet.

After 23 CM runs you have choice:
1 Astral Bracelet
18 Peacock Ores -> Sell @ 50k/ea (low value) = 900,000 gil
Buy: Darklight bracelet, Choker, Earring, 2x Rings, Sash

So after 23 Runs, I would have to think: Which makes me better, 1 Astral Bracelet, or 5 Darklight Jewelry + Sash ?

(The twelve help us if we crash during the craft attempt).

I shall simply move forward on the assumption that Astral does not exist in game ^.^;

[rocky]

So Devs can respond to hat hair and miqote butt threads, but not end game crafting threads? This does not bode well.

you know what, that is what I worry.
some retards brought out some retard questions. guess what, get DEV reply.

the only reason is, DEV don't know how to answer, or DEV has their plan.
i think coke will be drop item from small mobs. that is courage ppl to kill all the mobs in the dungeon.

[Kanzer]

I just now started looking into making rings and stuff, and was shocked to find out it takes 2250 tomestones worth of mats to make ONE ring. Are you serious? My first reaction was simply: "This has got to be a mistake, someone dropped the ball somewhere..."

Pure stupidity, nothing else to say about it.

Edit As a side note, all those less important issues that got dev responses were posted on the General forums instead of the appropriate sub-forum. Maybe it's time for this thread to migrate over to the General Discussion where they're actually reading shit. I didn't even know about this ridiculousness until recently, and it has me pretty pissed off.

[Kyana]

The cost is just not in line with what you get for it.
Equipment which requires 3375 tomestones for 1 piece is a joke.

Let every armor and weapon require 9 materials but not more, accessories 4-5 materials and reduce the cost from 125 to 60-70 Tomestones per material.
And give trash mobs in dungeons a chance to drop these materials or a small number of Tomestones.

I also hope we will get some craftable ilvl90 gear in one of the next updates.

[Cuban]

I looked at the cost for Astral Bracelet.
It wants 18 peacock ore.
18 Peacock Ore costs 18 * 125 = 2,250 tomestones of philosophy

Each CM run gives you 100. Therefore you will need to run CM 22.5 (23) times to have the material for one bracelet.

After 23 CM runs you have choice:
1 Astral Bracelet
18 Peacock Ores -> Sell @ 50k/ea (low value) = 900,000 gil
Buy: Darklight bracelet, Choker, Earring, 2x Rings, Sash

So after 23 Runs, I would have to think: Which makes me better, 1 Astral Bracelet, or 5 Darklight Jewelry + Sash ?

(The twelve help us if we crash during the craft attempt).

I shall simply move forward on the assumption that Astral does not exist in game ^.^;

Then when u hit turn 4 of coils u will be just like everyone else.... Going for the astrals for vitality melds

[Cuban]

The cost is just not in line with what you get for it.
Equipment which requires 3375 tomestones for 1 piece is a joke.

Let every armor and weapon require 9 materials but not more, accessories 4-5 materials and reduce the cost from 125 to 60-70 Tomestones per material.
And give trash mobs in dungeons a chance to drop these materials or a small number of Tomestones.

I also hope we will get some craftable ilvl90 gear in one of the next updates.

No thanks. In ffxi when abyssea started dropping all the end game mats, economy went to shit