9 Coke required now? (or other)

[tymora]

I was thinking 9 is too much as well, until I realize how fast people are getting their darklight equipment.
Give it time. In a month or 2, people will have nothing to spend philosophy stones on and end up selling the materials cheap.

[Reika]

people who cant think and see what it is they really did with the change will be the death of the crafting system. Of course there are items people wont bother making, vanya pants especially. Its because the system is not balanced. Increasing every thing to 9 is not balanced, or smart, or the way to go. Sure, the things should cost more than they did prior to making everything +9, but that isn't the solution. I have a better solution that they should have been doing before they released the damn game on the first post.. Only heavy darklight armor and flanchards are properly priced, and can stay the same price with tuning of the recipes.

The only real reason they did this is because these recipes didn't get any of their attention prior to launching the game, so they do something to make it so only the insane would go for. So you have a few guilds that have people with apparently no lives and pump themselves up on caffeine to boringly run whatever dungeon they ran 15 or so times a day so they can make themselves some shiny stuff not even hugely greater than darklight until you go through even MORE grinding to make materia, even MORE to level up the crafts (probably willingly supplied by botters, since some don't even have gathering classes up high enough to gather the mats for leveling everything to 50??). what of it? they should balance it all around those people, with no lives? how about no.

Of course, SE is likely looking at the very tiny handful of people who roll over and accept their idiocy and think its all good. And yes, there are only a tiny handful that actually thing what they did is cool. tiny.

[gigi_frana]

Hi, a question, if I may:

Amdapor Keep gear < Darklight gear

DL gear (?) best crafted non-HQ gear

DL gear < best crafted HQ gear + materia

best crafted HQ gear + materia < Tome of Mythology gear (a lot better, or so and so?)


Please fill the question marks and correct me where I err.
Thank you.

[Aemun]

They could always raise the price of darklight gear to be in line with crafted gear. 2250 per jewelry, 1125 for others. Only because castrum is so awesome.

[Kamaru]

The only real reason they did this is because these recipes didn't get any of their attention prior to launching the game, so they do something to make it so only the insane would go for. So you have a few guilds that have people with apparently no lives and pump themselves up on caffeine to boringly run whatever dungeon they ran 15 or so times a day so they can make themselves some shiny stuff not even hugely greater than darklight until you go through even MORE grinding to make materia, even MORE to level up the crafts (probably willingly supplied by botters, since some don't even have gathering classes up high enough to gather the mats for leveling everything to 50??). what of it? they should balance it all around those people, with no lives? how about no.

They did not increase the amount because the recipes were not getting attention m-.-m
Yes, people with ilvl 70 gear must be insane because the only option to get mats is to grind a dungeon......please stop ignoring that the items can be bought from the AH. Supply is greatly increasing everyday because people are dumping the stones on mats while they farm for mytho, just like I said they would. This will be the first week I've capped out mytho stones (my 2nd week running end game), and I have purchased one piece of DL gear and used the rest for my relic. Yet, I have ilvl 70 rings(2), wrist, neck, earring, drg boots, drg head, and vanya robe (all 5xmelded). I started ARR with 20k in my pocket and no cracked materia or any kind of super rare material that made me millions. My gear I bought with money I made from crafting (you don't have to be a no lifer crafter either lol someone is getting angry). I get to play for maybe 3 hours a night and I'm not going to spend weeks grinding out DL in a dungeon (I have so little time that I haven't even done the class quest for my DoW/DoM classes except for drg and some whm)

The only thing you are right about, the same thing I said several pages back, is that they need to balance how many 2 star mats each pieces requiers (drg pants taking 3 is a joke). Other than that you're wrong. 9 items is not to expensive and it's going to get even cheaper. Expect to put in more effort(ie materia and more tomestones) for better gear.

[SeleneVenizelos]

So you have a few guilds that have people with apparently no lives and pump themselves up on caffeine to boringly run whatever dungeon they ran 15 or so times a day so they can make themselves some shiny stuff not even hugely greater than darklight

It takes less runs to farm the 9 Coke for Heavy Darksteel than it does to buy Heavy Darklight. You're being very judgemental and unpleasant yet you don't even have your facts straight. I can't actually see a single person in this thread who has disagreed that these items should be cheaper to make, yet you continue to talk down to many, many people for agreeing with you?

[Reika]

It takes less runs to farm the 9 Coke for Heavy Darksteel than it does to buy Heavy Darklight. You're being very judgemental and unpleasant yet you don't even have your facts straight. I can't actually see a single person in this thread who has disagreed that these items should be cheaper to make, yet you continue to talk down to many, many people for agreeing with you?

You actually have to run CM 12 times for enough tokens to buy 9 of any of them. 1125 for 9, cm gives 100. I have also already said quite a few pages ago that Heavy darksteel armor and flanchards are the ONLY pieces that that 9 coke are worth it, all others it is not, and that they should balance the all the recipe requirements amounts equivilant to their slot type and slot usage. It is also on the front page now, at the bottom of the first post. And do you think people sell Darksteel ingots based on those 2 pieces? lol no, of course not.

But as long as people defend magically changing EVERY mat to require 9 token materials thus making almost all of them not at all cost effective over darklight, ESPECIALLY vanya pants, instead of doing actual balancing, yea i'm just going to talk down to them if you think thats what i'm doing, because they aren't using their heads. What they did was not for balance, what they did was to cock block the crafter, and some fools accept it. the 9 coke required was just the first part of the thread title. Everything requires 9, even things that you would never make because it requires 9, hi-elixers and vanya pants in particular.

It is identical to the blanket suspention SE is apparently doing right now on people with way too much gil on new servers. Instead of you know, doing what they need to do, in this case investigating, they just rape everyones accounts who even look remotely involved with an account suspension, like they just raped all of these recipes blindly instead of doing proper balancing.

[Aemun]

So Devs can respond to hat hair and miqote butt threads, but not end game crafting threads? This does not bode well.

[mmcsky]

Holy crap, I just checked the darksteel haubergeon and compared it to the darklight cuirass, the darklight cuirass is a bit less than 100 tokens under the double amount of a regular 495 token piece while the darksteel is TWICE the amount of coke than the regular 1125 token piece, that is 2250 TOKENS! 2250!

Was SE high when they calculated this crap?

[Rainsford]

It takes less runs to farm the 9 Coke for Heavy Darksteel than it does to buy Heavy Darklight. You're being very judgemental and unpleasant yet you don't even have your facts straight. I can't actually see a single person in this thread who has disagreed that these items should be cheaper to make, yet you continue to talk down to many, many people for agreeing with you?

It also costs 2x as much Peacock Ore to make one ring as it does to make Heavy Darksteel armor that takes up 2 slots. Makes sense, right?