Stop Buying Titan Kills

[ZReport]

your talking like it's a bunch of people playing single player instead of a community where people's actions do affect others

No I'm talking like it's a bunch of people just playing a game. Thousands of players, each with a different methodology to playing the game and getting the gear they want. People will play it like a single player and do everything they want solo. People will play with friends and do everything in a group. People will mix it up. People will buy their Titan run, while others seek in duty finder, while others will wait on their FC/LS. Others will even help players in an attempt to combat FC groups selling runs.

My point is simple-- it's really none of my (or your business) how people go about playing the game. SE will deal with RMT as they always do as it's being found if that's the case. Don't automatically assume just because people are purchasing stuff that they are automatically a gilbuyer.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Stop Buying Houses and cars! If people want to drive or have shelter from the elements they should build their own with their own hands like the Amish and Henry Ford.

I'm so grumpy about this for reasons unknown. Where's my shawl? I'm cold. Be quiet my stories are on.

Well, this argument would hold true, but only for a while... Eventually, I would be forced to tell you, "Why don't you make your own form of oxygen instead of relying on the planet?" and that's not fair. Nobody is saying you shouldn't rely on friends and others to help you. However... It's a different story altogether when you're paying someone to help you through Titan. Sure, it may not have an effect on you to begin with, but allowing 5% or so of your population to control the gil in your economy is not good. They will begin to buy a lot of the goods on the market and put them back up at double their value, leaving the 'middle' and 'lower' class to pay their prices or do without.

This is another reason I don't condone such behavior.

[Nihility]

No I'm talking like it's a bunch of people just playing a game. Thousands of players, each with a different methodology to playing the game and getting the gear they want. People will play it like a single player and do everything they want solo. People will play with friends and do everything in a group. People will mix it up. People will buy their Titan run, while others seek in duty finder, while others will wait on their FC/LS. Others will even help players in an attempt to combat FC groups selling runs.

My point is simple-- it's really none of my (or your business) how people go about playing the game. SE will deal with RMT as they always do as it's being found if that's the case. Don't automatically assume just because people are purchasing stuff that they are automatically a gilbuyer.

I never assumed that. Probably mostly people doing like 15 cm runs and forgoing actually gearing themselves in darklight to buy their titan most likely
but it still effects others
the more people buy it, the more guilds close their doors to anyone not paying for help, and the more that start looking at it for funding
and it propagates and grows and soon enough it becomes the only solution to those without a strong guild

and then look at future content, if so many people are incapable of titan without being carried through it, do you really think what comes after will be easier?
do you want to be stuck trying to do content that requires a team of people that have proven their skill against titan just to be paired with a group of people in relics that struggle with ak and wanderers?
Is it just going to turn into all the people that couldn't beat titan dragging down groups in crystal tower so now people have to pay for good groups to do that?

even if you can't see it things like this do effect other people

[ZReport]

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You're not even looking at the other side. People are paying for a service. People are getting helped regardless. You're arguing from a vantage point that you can't even comprehend fully-- if you're talking about solo players, they are most likely paying for the service regardless, getting help. If they aren't, they are joining FCs and/or LSes to get the help they need. Or they are joining shouts and duties for a win.

As for future content, again, it's none of my business how others do, nor am I worried about their progress. I only worry about myself and the people in my own circle, as it should be. I won't be stuck on any form of content, because I'm taking out the time to get people on the same level I want to be at.

It's selfishness all around. You're like a few others in this topic that don't even see the services being rendered as help at all.

[Nihility]

You're not even looking at the other side. People are paying for a service. People are getting helped regardless. You're arguing from a vantage point that you can't even comprehend fully-- if you're talking about solo players, they are most likely paying for the service regardless, getting help. If they aren't, they are joining FCs and/or LSes to get the help they need. Or they are joining shouts and duties for a win.

As for future content, again, it's none of my business how others do, nor am I worried about their progress. I only worry about myself and the people in my own circle, as it should be. I won't be stuck on any form of content, because I'm taking out the time to get people on the same level I want to be at.

It's selfishness all around. You're like a few others in this topic that don't even see the services being rendered as help at all.

so your viewpoint is basically "i have a set group of friends to do everything with so screw everyone else"
I wonder how you would feel if you had to queue for crystal tower and get stuck with these people like the majority will

people selling titan really aren't helping, they're just being enablers

[neizero]

No.

Please continue buying Titan kills

[Sebazy]

Fact is that people who sell their Kills are greedy selfish people who dont want to help bad players, they just want to enrich themselves on bad players and by that they ruin the big thought of every game

I suspect you might be over thinking this whole (non)issue sir! I've made plenty from selling runs, but I also spend more time helping random Revenant's Toll pugs along particularly now I've hit the end of the available content. Contrary to popular belief most of us are just perfectly nice people who have found a quick way to make some gil whilst we wait on our coil cooldowns and additional content.

[Mikejconnor]

someone buys the titan fight, gets their relic. ok done. one thing i dont understand, how is not knowing the specific scripted timing of one self contained boss fight that has no bearing on any other content in the game make a player bad?

that person still had to do cm, cp, chimera, hydra, ak, ifrit, garuda. but they are noobs right beacause everyone is selling those runs too ><

sorry if that comes off hostile but im tired of people saying that those that buy titan are horrible or lolrelicnoob.

[Yurikitty]

Problem is Cm-Garuda really isn't that hard. Lots of DF groups will make it just fine, because the fights are easy. Titan is a whole nother ball game. Here is the down side to buying wins. Bob buys his win, his group says go die to a bomb, Bob is handed his relic. Bob sees a shout for Coil, he has his relic, he is surely good to go! Wrong. Players end up having zero to few Darklight items. They never learned the hard mechanics, they end up being horrible players.

I dont think Titan wins are a bad thing to sell. They provide people with limited play time a way to get something hard done if they don't have a raiding FC but still want progression. They help those that have done 210 attempts through DF get a win. Those FC's that sell wins, there members tend to have lots of gil and they buy with that gil in there communities and give back. But like so many people are saying, the sold wins have consequences to. This is one of those player grey areas that no one will ever agree on.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Titan is not that hard. It's challenging in itself, but not so much that it would be too hard for a lot of players to complete. That is, if the game ran smoothly and the client displayed events in real time.

However the 300ms delay, added to one's ping, forcing players to learn the fight by heart rather than reacting to what's happening, so that they can anticipate everything ─that's the only way not to get hit by AoEs─ make it really that much harder, not to mention very frustrating. I won't even mention the freezes and 90k errors that basically ruin half of the tries out there on prime time.

Titan is nigh impossible for inexperienced players not because of the fight itself but because of the poor network code and infrastructure running it.