Amdapor Keep Changes Unfair

[mr_wazzabi]

Today we were doing AK's in 18m 20s, and we were doing Praetorium in 20-22m earlier in the week. I don't think CM is the best way to get seals.

Cm is easier than pm due to the cannons and no instant death aoe like with ultima and giaus

[Lunavi]

To everyone thinking this is unfair:

It is indeed unfair. It is a change of the rules. BUT how unfair do you think it is for those running/beating Coil now when they are undergeared when we later will run coil in Crystal Tower gear or other later game gear? How unfair do you think it will feel for US when this grind will eventually be unneccesairy due to some other dungeon with better drops that will make you able to totally bypass the phil and myth grind? Rules change in an MMO. It is a neccesity. If something is broken it needs to be fixed and the developers thought that the ability to gain more tomes by speedrunning was broken.

And it is also needed to make it easy for others than the first group of players to reach end game. Isn't that unfair aswell? That they reach a dungeon we had to play for several months to reach in a mere month?

[YanDere]

Cm is easier than pm due to the cannons and no instant death aoe like with ultima and giaus

Hm, I personally think that CM is not easier, it's a lot longer and in Praetorium nothing causes instant death, there are no difficult bosses there.
With my gear (2 DL, 2 AK, robe and gloves lv50 and shield lv43) I did several Prae runs in 19-22 minutes as Whtie Mage.
With a good WHM, a good SCH and 6 dds you can do it even with the worst gear ever.

[mr_wazzabi]

Hm, I personally think that CM is not easier, it's a lot longer and in Praetorium nothing causes instant death, there are no difficult bosses there.
With my gear (2 DL, 2 AK, robe and gloves lv50 and shield lv43) I did several Prae runs in 19-22 minutes as Whtie Mage.
With a good WHM, a good SCH and 6 dds you can do it even with the worst gear ever.

Don't you have more bosses to fight in pm? I forgot as i only played it once, but i felt it was much harder for me than cm

[YanDere]

I think it was harder just because it was the first time.
Yes, there are more bosses, but there are significantly less trash mobs, so you have the time for the 6 bosses of this dungeon, and it is still faster than CM if you do it well.

[Chiramu]

It takes 40 minutes minimum to clear AK now, before people could exploit it in a way that only took 15 minutes...

The changes are not unfair, I hit 50 after the changes. What can you complain about if you've never experienced AK before the changes?

[ApolloGenX]

At this point, I think fairness is less of an issue than mind numbingly boring.

[KisaiTenshi]

I think it was harder just because it was the first time.
Yes, there are more bosses, but there are significantly less trash mobs, so you have the time for the 6 bosses of this dungeon, and it is still faster than CM if you do it well.

Current Record after 4 runs of PM with a server group (not DF) was 24 minutes. There are less trash mobs, but it's also possible to skip past some of them because they don't aggro unless you walk in front of them. It's basically a boss rush.

Now the time limit on PM I have a feeling is designed around watching all the cutscenes and failing a few times at each boss. I've only done CM once with a DF group and they rushed it so fast that the last two bosses were run while my PC was still loading the cutscene before them. (Auto-skip cutscene option please) Particuarly the last boss where I saw the "15 seconds" before the cancel box even came up. (The tank must have a SSD)

[Raze_Krauser]

to those who say it's unfair, grow the hell up!

considering the alternative is to power-level your crafting and making HQ ilvl 70 gear (w/ IV materia); which is better than Darklight. You still have it pretty good if your goal is to get ilvl 70 gear and be endgame ready....

[Hrist_Valkyrie]

Oh sure it's unfair. We should demand a year of free play and effortless Relic weapons. Lets also bring back the Wandering Minstrel from the beta.

Would you also like an SE employee to spoon feed you as you play?