Duty Finder needs vote-kick

[TheLostFool]

I say no. I think it would be a bad idea.

[Shizzaren]

How can you say it would be bad? I mean in wow, there is horrible queues for dps too, still you dont kick them without a reason.. and wow has worst community ever, yet it is rare that u get groups kicking you for no reason at all.. So please, be a little more reasonable.. I don't care if u waited 3 hours, or 50 hours, if you can't do your job properly you are just dead weight for the rest of the group. And no, I am not referring to your gear, rather your skills with your class.

[Lunavi]

From what I have read around this forum about end game community so do I have a feeling this would happen. I might be wrong, but all these jerks undressing seems to already try to do this to not get the DF penality.

Also, my point was not based on wait times = entitlement which you should understand if you read what I wrote. It is that I find far more tanks willing to do this than DPS classes which is pretty likely based around how long you have to wait to get a new try and that DPS's are easier to replace than a tank. If you kick tank or healer (beside of trials where only 1 successful boss fight is needed) I think it will be very unlikely that you will finish in time giving both tanks and healers a very sweet safe from being kicked.

Yes, a run might be doomed to fail from start, but then there is always the option to leave yourself (which alot of people seem to forget) The penality is not so bad if you consider the queue times.

I am just saying that a kick system right now would be very unfair in the favor of tanks and healers which I as a DPS thinks leave a bad taste in my mouth. I would as I said aswell love to see one and that it worked, but right now I fear that would just slow down the overall progress as alot of groups would kick people without relics from primal hard modes which are actually NEEDED to get that weapon.

[altered_juice]

no .

[Shizzaren]

You on pot ? Why is it in favor of a tank or healer? if they are bad, they get kicked, and replaced... doesn't matter whether you area dps, healer or tank... For it to be in FAVOR of tanks or healers, it would have to give them something for getting kicked.. I'm tired of hearing that it wouldn't work.. They have it in wow, and it works, and wow has worse community than this game.

Why would I leave myself when I could just kick that one retard f*cking our whole group up? I don't get your logic.. DPS ain't left with the shortstick, they are 2/4 of the grp.. if the tank is bad he will be kicked, simple as that.

[Lunavi]

But they are "given" something DPS classes aren't, they are given instant access to the next raid while a DPS has to wait sometimes several hours. Also, I have almost never had a tank or healer join after a kick (it happens like 1/5 times that we get eighter while we still have a chance to complete dungeon) while DPS's do so simply because the queue times are too long which means it takes more for a tank or healer to get kicked than it might take for a DPS as that will not risk total failure. The reason it works better in WoW is because the balance between amount of DPS's and healers and tanks is more balanced due to the fact that you need 3 DPS for 5 man while here you just need 2 for 4. In WoW I have actually seen queues where we wait for DPS, something I have never ever witnessed in this game.

Do not get me wrong please, I want it to work, but I do not want to risk that DPS, a role that already has it bad in DF, to eventually get it even worse. The queue times are obviously a problem you are unaware of, and I do not blame you. But DPS classes does not have instant queue for like 90% of the content in the game. There is a fine leave button if you are unhappy with the current PUG. But maybe it could work, I can hardly see another DPS wanting to kick the other DPS for being undergeared as he might be next in turn for kick..

[Shizzaren]

I did play DPS a bit, queues were around 20-30 mins, but i only did like max 10 dungeons

[Lunavi]

Lucky, have had to wait atleast 2-3 hours in most 50 content. Luckly I am leveling crafting when I do not run dungeons, decreases downtime ALOT! Gonna roll healer later today though, Looked forward to do something else than DPSing for once. ^^

[Grids]

The tank and healer can be replaced quickly, sure, but the DPS que time is ginormous in comparison. For anything other than Endgame content (WP to HM's) the vote-kick option would be hell on everyone. The End game would then have a constant flow of "oh i don't want a summoner, i want a Bard", "This tank should be a Paladin, so lets kick for a Paladin", "I need the drops from this run so lets kick anyone who might need my gear". Get the drift?

[Ageofwar]

The tank and healer can be replaced quickly, sure, but the DPS que time is ginormous in comparison. For anything other than Endgame content (WP to HM's) the vote-kick option would be hell on everyone. The End game would then have a constant flow of "oh i don't want a summoner, i want a Bard", "This tank should be a Paladin, so lets kick for a Paladin", "I need the drops from this run so lets kick anyone who might need my gear". Get the drift?

like I have said already this would be nice but I fear abuse by elitists to get the perfect party instantly.