WAR and Wrath: Important Mechanics Discussed.

[RapBreon]

Cause you edit your message too much.

Anyways.

So my next challenge is tank double dreadnaughts.

Bleh, whatever. There is one thing that IS impossible though, and that's satisfying any of you.

Goodnight.

P.S. I'll do it eventually and enjoy D!#%'waving like I enjoyed tonight.

I edited it because I had a feeling you wouldn't understand my point without further elaboration.

Regardless, if given enough time and gear I could also tank double Dread's. It's not impossible forever, or at all, it's just OBSCENELY difficult with the current tuning and amount of gear you can get (I could do it full Allagan I reackon, so could many), but in those circumstances a Paladin could do it even easier. This is the CRUX of almost everybody's argument.

Additionally; it's not about being impossible to please, it's about your arguments being non-sequitur (and to a much lesser degree, extremely condescending). Oh and I forgot Straw-mannny. And finally you linked the images BEFORE I made that post lol.

[Terabyt3]

[B]Since when did I claim facts that aren't true? Read through my posts and point to where I said that WAR mitigate more damage than PLD?
The simple fact remains that I have cleared BC Turn 1-3 and will have 4 down soon. Healers and DPS Don't have to worry about pulling threat from me and I make the PLD do more DMG with Storms Eye.

Why have I downed BC Turn 1-3? Because my healers don't use WAR as a scapegoat and my party is full of good players. Simple as that.

This is my last reply to you, because you are clearly one of those forum surfers that are constantly trying to prove something, as if on a holy crusade.

There is no argument, because I am a Warrior and I am clearing the content.

Done.

It was hiir that said 50% more damage than a pld actually hence why the question was directed at them.

You claim that BC is just as easy as WAR tanking and that there isnt an imbalance.

You and Hiir are fools if you believe that.

[HiirNoivl]

It was hiir that said 50% more damage than a pld actually hence why the question was directed at them.

You claim that BC is just as easy as WAR tanking and that there isnt an imbalance.

You and Hiir are fools if you believe that.

I'd like to see your numbers. No more personal attacks. Why are you parsing so low? Why aren't you hitting 160 DPS?

[Terabyt3]

I already did. People said "You did that in a dungeon!" "Those parses are questionable" "Coil please!"

FoF is better than Berserk... good jokes.

Can you give me a link to the parses? They show a comparison to a PLD against same target in same ilvl gear?

If what you say is true then fair enough but since it goes against not only the grain of my own experiences but everyone else you'll have to understand the need for proof that you out dps a pld by 50% when everyone else says it's only around 1-2%

[HiirNoivl]

My Parses on PLD have not been uploaded to the net and I'm not at home right now. This is one I did and posted earlier. (Was in Defiance the whole time)

[RapBreon]

Warriors do more, but it sure as hell ain't 50% more. Seems to be in the range of +10-20% with all things equal. Which I can't give numbers on sadly as my Paladin gear is inferior to my Warriors (Brav +1). The extra DPS is nice, but it doesn't add a HUGE amount in an 8 man group, and unless you're scraping through on fights, ending it early doesn't amount to much. And if you're scraping through, you'd scrape less with a Paladin due to it not being a giant mana sponge.

@HirrNovil; I pull 150 on Anantaboga on my Paladin and roughly 180 on my Warrior. Warrior however has +1 Brav and +15 more str. Even those out and it would be a closer to 10% again.

Also FoF appears to be relatively even with Berserk.

Over a minute FoF adds 15% damage. Over a minute Berserk adds 16.666% damage, but you get pacified. This is assuming 50% increased attack power is the same as 50% increased damage. Anybody know for a fact if it is? I'd love to know.

[HiirNoivl]

Warriors do more, but it sure as hell ain't 50% more. Seems to be in the range of +10-20% with all things equal. Which I can't give numbers on sadly as my Paladin gear is inferior to my Warriors (Brav +1). The extra DPS is nice, but it doesn't add a HUGE amount in an 8 man group, and unless you're scraping through on fights, ending it early doesn't amount to much. And if you're scraping through, you'd scrape less with a Paladin due to it not being a giant mana sponge.

Let me know when you have numbers.

[RapBreon]

Let me know when you have numbers.

You'll be waiting a while, I don't intend to get a +1 on my Curtana. I did give airy fairy numbers above in response to yours.

[HiirNoivl]

You'll be waiting a while, I don't intend to get a +1 on my Curtana. I did give airy fairy numbers above in response to yours.

lol Not good enough! You have to have equal gear... In Coil! lol It's just unfair that somehow you have fairy numbers and your argument is the accepted one. Pacification is overwritten because I use Berserked Fraction DoT before I'm pacified.

The Fracture adds up to roughly the same DPS as a Butcher's Block Combo. So no, Berserk doesn't do much in terms of lowering DPS if you're intelligent about it.

It's even better if you are pacified during Garuda's or Ifrit's Jumps or right when you're passing the ADS nodes to the other tank in Turn 2. In those cases Pacification doesn't lower DPS at all.

In response to your Edit: I don't have as much STR as you, but I'm interested to know if you drop Defiance at all. I get over 180 on Anantaboga.

[Terabyt3]

Hiir need to compare side by side equally geared PLD and WAR on same mob for accurate dps comparisson.

Increase in attack power is not increase in damage by a long shot.

Some have calculated that the increase in attack power from berserk only ups your actual dmg by 11-15%.
Not sure but I think it was Kirt in another thread that posted that (I may be wrong).