WAR Dex and Parry testing!

[C-croft]

Post #30, Many time's it's been referred to in other threads. How do we know if parry numbers/formula are the same across the board, who has tested this? Is there new data? Only reason I ask is because it's always STR or VIT with PLD vs WAR. WAR is pretty limited with skills to test, so there 'has' to be 'something'. DEX never gets touched on because it's always VIT or STR stack debates.

Obviously not MND, PIE, or INT. If it is, I think I will go back to college, just so SE can hire me and I can get someone fired.

[Hachiko]

Post #30, Many time's it's been referred to in other threads. How do we know if parry numbers/formula are the same across the board, who has tested this? Is there new data? Only reason I ask is because it's always STR or VIT with PLD vs WAR. WAR is pretty limited with skills to test, so there 'has' to be'something'. DEX never gets touched on because it's always VIT or STR stack debates.

We know because we've looked at parse data between WAR and PLD. i.e. http://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVTC/comm...in_vs_warrior/ I think Cormac also posted some parse data which seemed to go along the same lines (but with smaller sample sizes).

Plus there's no reason to just assume you get higher parry rate as one than the other. And to assume that we need to stack dex would be kind of silly as well. It might have marginal returns, but it's still not a stat available on any gear intended to be used by WAR (or PLD) so the idea that it's intended seems silly to me.

[C-croft]

We know because we've looked at parse data between WAR and PLD. i.e. http://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVTC/comm...in_vs_warrior/ I think Cormac also posted some parse data which seemed to go along the same lines (but with smaller sample sizes).

Plus there's no reason to just assume you get higher parry rate as one than the other. And to assume that we need to stack dex would be kind of silly as well. It might have marginal returns, but it's still not a stat available on any gear intended to be used by WAR (or PLD) so the idea that it's intended seems silly to me.

I agree it's silly, but that's what bugs me. The only reason it even comes up is the amount of parry we do get on gear. From the post you referenced, it sounds like they are just starting to test, and even then it's slightly off due to the fact the PLD still used a shield as opposed to leaving it off. IMO, DEX+Parry stack may not be so silly after all. Based on that testing, WAR still had higher Parry despite bearing stat wise equal to PLD. NOt saying either way is yay or nay, just that more testing needs to be done. Also, I'm not assuming anything. Merely suggesting ideas.

[Hachiko]

I agree it's silly, but that's what bugs me. The only reason it even comes up is the amount of parry we do get on gear. From the post you referenced, it sounds like they are just starting to test, and even then it's slightly off due to the fact the PLD still used a shield as opposed to leaving it off. IMO, DEX+Parry stack may not be so silly after all. Based on that testing, WAR still had higher Parry despite bearing stat wise equal to PLD. NOt saying either way is yay or nay, just that more testing needs to be done. Also, I'm not assuming anything. Merely suggesting ideas.

The only reason it looks higher is because you cant simultaneously parry and block. The game, in essence, Checks for misses first, then for block, then checks for parry.

If you cut off the misses and blocks from both the WAR and PLD in that referenced post, both parses sit at ~20% of the parryable hits being parried, with the WAR taking slightly more critical hits.

In this thread, and others, it backs up the idea of it being a "multi roll" table. Since the mobs have a high miss rate, the parry rate reported by APP is extremely low. This is because you can't parry a miss. But if you remove misses, it leads to numbers that seem pretty reasonable for fighting lower level mobs.

I don't know how much more testing you really need, to be honest. The poster on reddit was just starting his testing, but he posted enough data to draw conclusions from, which is really what matters.

[C-croft]

The only reason it looks higher is because you cant simultaneously parry and block. The game, in essence, Checks for misses first, then for block, then checks for parry.

If you cut off the misses and blocks from both the WAR and PLD in that referenced post, both parses sit at ~20% of the parryable hits being parried, with the WAR taking slightly more critical hits.
In this thread, and others, it backs up the idea of it being a "multi roll" table. Since the mobs have a high miss rate, the parry rate reported by APP is extremely low. This is because you can't parry a miss. But if you remove misses, it leads to numbers that seem pretty reasonable for fighting lower level mobs.

I don't know how much more testing you really need, to be honest. The poster on reddit was just starting his testing, but he posted enough data to draw conclusions from, which is really what matters.

I would like to see without a shield, and an increase in stats to see the difference at a higher level. It's a little early in testing to draw conclusions just yet... At 193 DEX and 475 parry is one thing, but lets say DEX has a 'hidden modifier' for WARs, the difference would grow at a higher DEX rating. If he were to perform the same test with say 215 DEX and 475 parry, I would be more inclined to make conclusions at that time. A reliable parser would be greatly helpful as well.