SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Ryock]

they have the artistic license to call any class whatever they want but they were extremely misleading when the common accepted job for a summoner in mmorpgs is a class that uses summons. It would be like having a black mage have only one offensive spell and the rest were buffs.

Actually, it's funny you say that, considering black mages only actually get one new attack spell, with the other four being defensive or crowd control related. Agreed though. Initially, I started playing an arcanist cause I was excited to see carbuncle again, but the summoner's not really playing how I anticipated it would. Rather, instead of that, like many have said, it's basically a warlock. Which... is fine I guess, I mean I've played warlock a couple times in games, but it's not what I was expecting per say. A little unfortunate, yes. But summoner will probably not see very many changes. We may see a couple tweaks perhaps, but I'm not expecting anything big.

[Samich4ME]

I completely feel you guys.

I didn't play summoner to be a high damage dps (I couldnt care less if they sucked), I wanted to be a Summoner BECAUSE I wanted to HAVE FUN INTERACTING A LOT and feel EXTREMELY ENGAGED and like a team with my pet, to be something DIFFERENT
Casting a fricking "Enkindle" every 5 mins IS NOT interacting with my garuda-egi , and nor is casting a BUFF and forgetting about Garuda-egi They are just Dot.s that move or a meat sheild.
Lets get real, and stop making stupid excuses like "what is a summoner" because that's a stupid question that can NEVER be truly answered, but for those who HAVE played the Final Fantasy's series, there is a general "expectation" whether you agreed or not, some people aren't satisfied.

IF you don't agree and and are completely satisfied, why are you posting then? YOU AREN'T gonna change the The forum starters minds at all, you are only attempting to VALIDATED your BIAS opinion of the class being fine.
If you are like Kevee, cool, you are a Great Dps and satisfied with what a summoner looks and feels like, and do not believe anything that any changes are needed besides whatever YOU want changed. then cool continue to play summoner and go on raids and stuff, because you are happy with the class

But do not go around attempting to justify and make everyone repeat their points and saying bs to something you don't agree on in hope of attempting to change peoples mind, because there is a reason people on on this forum and because...
A) They agree and would like change.
B) State changes that could be made

if you are attempting C) which is --- "Play the Devil's Advocate"
Then just leave everyone here to express their sadness about this class, because no one wants to read 50 comments on one uptight persons opinion, and their continued attempts to piss off, actually pretty decent people that seem logically, patience and intelligent.

IF you have no problem, you have no reason to stay but for attention seeking needs and free time, go save a baby or something.
rant over.

[glim]

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so people who disagree with you should just shut up right?

[Misiah]

I totally love SMN. Played FFXI SMN and the other FF titles. I love what they've done and the direction it's going. Keep adding new summons and abilities! A few tweaks would be nice, but overall it's AWESOME!

[Nichigo]

The OP is on par with my Sentiments. I started early access as ACN, then dropped it a few levels after getting Summoner. The class gets work done and is one of the best classes at what it does. But it's boring...and it didn't make me feel like a summoner. Granted, that's mostly sentiment...and probably a feeling that is pretty strong due to the image SE has given to Summoners/summons over the course of their FF titles. But as an FF title, they should have put in a little more effort into making a summoner a little closer to it's classic role. I almost feel like it was rushed. They literally just took the DOT aspects of THM from 1.0 and made a new class out of it. Allowed that class to summon a pet to boost the DPS a little, and boom...new class that everyone flocks to.

My only consolation for spending the 34 levels on ACN/SMN is that Eye for an Eye makes my THM that much more well rounded.

[Hawklaser]

so people who disagree with you should just shut up right?

That is not what Samich4ME is saying. It was more along the lines of realizing when to stop beating a dead horse.

[silentwindfr]

you realize that as summoner you only have 5 skill? i means the jobs by itself is 5 skill... all the rest are coming from the arcanist.
they have already states that the jobs will get more and more skill with the increase of level.

[Samich4ME]

That is not what Samich4ME is saying. It was more along the lines of realizing when to stop beating a dead horse.

^^ Yes! Hawklaser understands!

[CrimsonJenn]

As a big fan of the summoner class i have to agree with the OP, I don't really understand the counter argument of it being okay as it is. Sure it could be considered functional but is that all we really want? As the name Summoner implies it should be focused on the summoning aspect - were doing exactly the same thing as was done to the summoner in XI. Were just accepting what it currently is and not what it should and could be by turning a blind eye to this poorly designed concept. And as for the argument about how most jobs don't drastically change how the class is played there are many things that functionally change how you approach some concepts such as Regen for WHM. But i agree this isn't just a problem for just summoner, but summoner is definitely getting the worst of it.

Essentially a good portion of people generally don't enjoy watered down clones of classes from other MMO's so why are we okay with this wannabe warlock? I enjoyed the various warlock classes from other games but i check my nostalgia at the door when playing a new game. And this... this just lacks the very foundation from which the class is derived from and not just the storyline you follow to unlock it but throughout the entire quest chains relevance to the importance of the egi's and the summoners in general. How can you justify the defined lore and role surrounding the class to being just ignored?

Fact is the pets need to be more important to the summoner and not just garuda, how are they going to implement more egi's when the only reason we effectively even deal with having one out is to extend our dot duration?

[Noriega]

But as an FF title, they should have put in a little more effort into making a summoner a little closer to it's classic role.

Well, its classic role was super long cast times for little yield unless talented with other cross skills. But i get your drift.
This must be an Asian thing, as this is the third game in which the summoner role, was really a dot role with a pet playing as an elaborate dot for the summoner (ROSE, Aion).

I do long for a summoner class in which the pet plays a more integral part of of the summoner other than 30% of the total dps. More interaction (or at least..some control that isnt taxing) and more skill combination (summoner casts something, pet casts something, they combine to form a captain planet attack or w/e).

But i assume its mechanics because every pet class i have ever played has been boring or unimaginative. (aside from necromancer from rift, it was always well done pet class especially after the last major revamp).