Turn 5 Downed by JP Group? Exploits or Legit?

[Sephirah]

While I totally agree that the fight isn't a big gear check, you can clearly see he's wearing a Hoplite Tabard from AK in the screenshot.

The AK Hoplite Tabard is irrelevant. For a PLD to have 5.8k without a food buff, all their other equipment is some combination of DL/AF2/Allagan gear. With food I'm at 5.8k and I'm in full dl, minus still having the AK necklace, and all but 4 of my bonus points in vit (which I plan on fixing soon).

(Edit: that being said, this was still not a legit kill, and the FC that did it is not trying to claim it was)

[Logolar]

My PLD tank with four pieces of ilvl 90 gear (Curtana + 1, allagan shield, earrings and ring of fending) + full darklight has 6,085 HP with food and party buffs.

That PLD tank in the screenshot has a little less than that to be sitting at 5.8k. At least one or two pieces of Amdapor Keep gear.

All that means is you're a vit Paladin...He's most likely a paladin that put points into STR. I'm in Full Darklight with 1level90 ring and holy shield +1 and I only have 5.4k because I took Mitigation and threat instead of empty hp.

[Faction]

All that means is you're a vit Paladin...He's most likely a paladin that put points into STR. I'm in Full Darklight with 1level90 ring and holy shield +1 and I only have 5.4k because I took Mitigation and threat instead of empty hp.

well no paladin dumb enough to take str is going to kill this boss until it's nerfed, so I think that is unlikely

I disagree. While it's true Turn 5 is hard, Turn 5 is not a gear check fight. It's an execution fight. It's a RNG fight. The first legit kill of Turn 5 will have nothing to do with gear, and everything to do with execution.

Your tank having 5.8k, 6k, 6.2k or 6.4k HP bears absolutely no importance for Turn 5. It's all about the rest of the group being able to deal with all the crap going on during the fight.

And again, 5.8k doesn't mean "in AK gear". 5.8k means "full DL with Relic+1" or "full DL with Relic and Allagan belt + another accessory" or a couple of other possible variations. 5.8k could also mean this is a tank in half Allagan gear who put his stats into Strength instead of Vitality.

You'd have to be insanely full of yourself to think because someone has X HP then he is barred from progressing further than you. Turn 5 is an execution check. Whatever group manages to get the fight done perfectly will beat it, not whatever group has the best gear.

You're wrong, I had 5.8k pre defiance in a full party with 4 pieces of AK gear.

You can theory all you want about how "it's totally doable in AK gear" but no one who isn't min maxing to a ridiculous degree is going to be the first to beat this fight. Certainly not someone using AK gear.

[Logolar]

It's not dumb to take an extra 5% mitigation on blocking and parrying...That is damage that healers never have to heal through. PLus extra dps and threat. I've seen the difference even in turn 1 when I tank next to similarly geared paladins but I'm being hit less hard.

[Rapiso]

It's not dumb to take an extra 5% mitigation on blocking and parrying...That is damage that healers never have to heal through. PLus extra dps and threat. I've seen the difference even in turn 1 when I tank next to similarly geared paladins but I'm being hit less hard.

Dude .. with +30STR you'll gain at best +1% mitigation on block/parry

[Fated]

It's not dumb to take an extra 5% mitigation on blocking and parrying...That is damage that healers never have to heal through. PLus extra dps and threat. I've seen the difference even in turn 1 when I tank next to similarly geared paladins but I'm being hit less hard.

Welcome to the end of August?

[Logolar]

I didn't say I went full str, but I'm not even pulling numbers out randomly...I've simply asked what other paladins with similar gear and holy shield +1 block for...then compared...plus it also helps on parrying

[Instrumentality]

All that means is you're a vit Paladin...He's most likely a paladin that put points into STR. I'm in Full Darklight with 1level90 ring and holy shield +1 and I only have 5.4k because I took Mitigation and threat instead of empty hp.

Do you not understand effective HP? Let me rephrase, do you hate living as a tank?

[Logolar]

Yes I understand effective HP. It's more effective to have an extra 5% mitigation then it is to have 500 more hp...Not to mention when you do use bulwark it is that much more effective...So yes I've thought about why I put my stats how I did and have never had an issue living...Especially compared to a pure vit tank.

[Instrumentality]

You're not getting an extra 5% mitigation from 30 STR.