Wrongfull suspended for 1 week, then gil removed. SE CS does not want to know.

[Mithril]

I still can't believe how many people can be so ignorant to believe that people actually have a desire or even a need to buy gil without being horrible at the game in general, just the quests themselves pay out plenty enough, its not like making it is hard as there are plenty of sources. Some people are still getting flagged with way under a mil, and these are people like me who were not crafters and worked up to their artifact sets through fighting with a combat class by hand or hand farming a ton of mats to sell, so the logic that people must have a need to depend on the RMT to get by at all financially is fundamentally flawed to begin with. Nobody wants to buy gil from people that spam their chat box all day either. I also find it hard to believe the RMT are even making that much profit, but it's certainly possible. You shouldn't be so quick to assume that everyone is guilty because the sheer volume of complaints and with all the fervor of people to defend themselves clearly signifies some validity in their claims that you are so easy to let fall on deaf ears and point the finger going "You got what you deserved". What if they didn't do anything? Do you know how wronged it makes one feel if they actually are innocent? It's insulting.. and will definitely get under your skin. I would be more worried about the individuals that don't seem to care to ask any questions and simply accept that everything is double rainbows.

[Ervin]

I'm not going to be specific but I can tell you I had more than 2 mil. My brother had more than 10. My LS mate had somewhere in the 12 region. Non legacy server. And 2 people I can think of, maybe 3 on this forum said they never even hit a mil.

To be fair though we can't discount some kind of gil check. They could have done the check 2 weeks or 10 days after launch, and waited to ban. For the first 2 weeks I never had more than 100k on hand. The few who had low gil could have been nailed for different reasons, or they could be cheaters. We can be sure though it wasn't a gil check at the time of suspension or within a few days of it.

They did do a Gil check and got to the number of 367,700 million dirty Gil. And the important part there is the word million i.e 367700000000 gil earned in a shadowy way. I just think this is hinestly a backlash for the greedy people. And these people need to understand that what was done by SE had to be done, they couldnt leave the market with thise 367,700mil gil. So those that had stuff bought by goldbuyers/botter/hackers got hit. I'm also quite sure some of the people that are still around in gear they bought might have bought it for honest gil, hence why they still run around in it and those earnings might be what SE left you with but took the rest.

I'm not saying it's fully your own fault as sellers, but people tend to be quite greedy when it comes to earning as much as they possibly can, and getting blinded in the process regarding what is a reasonable price and not. And this cant really be denied by the people that started out as hardcore crafters to earn a foundation.

[scarebearz]

If SE did not want people selling on the IN GAME MARKET, they should not have created it.

The Gil they removed was certainly not all "dirty", taking exactly 99% from people who sold 1000's of items to 100's of different people, shows there was no actual investigation into these accounts, anyone who says otherwise must have problems with reading.

I made almost 400k from leve quests alone, this I can prove.

[scarebearz]

[lordjoosie]

They did do a Gil check and got to the number of 367,700 million dirty Gil. And the important part there is the word million i.e 367700000000 gil earned in a shadowy way. I just think this is hinestly a backlash for the greedy people. And these people need to understand that what was done by SE had to be done, they couldnt leave the market with thise 367,700mil gil. So those that had stuff bought by goldbuyers/botter/hackers got hit. I'm also quite sure some of the people that are still around in gear they bought might have bought it for honest gil, hence why they still run around in it and those earnings might be what SE left you with but took the rest.

I'm not saying it's fully your own fault as sellers, but people tend to be quite greedy when it comes to earning as much as they possibly can, and getting blinded in the process regarding what is a reasonable price and not. And this cant really be denied by the people that started out as hardcore crafters to earn a foundation.

What you're missing is that there are far more people who had their items bought by gil buyer money and did not get suspended, than those who did get suspended. I've sold a thousand items on the market board. Are you suggesting that none of those items were bought with RMT gil? I think you also misunderstood what I meant by a gil check. What I'm referring to is the theory that SE flagged everyone with over x amount of gil, and suspended them. This obviously didn't happen unless they did the check a couple weeks before the suspensions. If you take the time to read the posts more carefully, you'll see some of us are trying to figure out what system they used to suspend. Even if 95% of those suspended were scumbags and deserved it, I don't want to take the chance of being one of the 5% that didn't.

[scarebearz]

What you're missing is that there are far more people who had their items bought by gil buyer money and did not get suspended, than those who did get suspended. I've sold a thousand items on the market board. Are you suggesting that none of those items were bought with RMT gil? I think you also misunderstood what I meant by a gil check. What I'm referring to is the theory that SE flagged everyone with over x amount of gil, and suspended them. This obviously didn't happen unless they did the check a couple weeks before the suspensions. If you take the time to read the posts more carefully, you'll see some of us are trying to figure out what system they used to suspend. Even if 95% of those suspended were scumbags and deserved it, I don't want to take the chance of being one of the 5% that didn't.

Exactly, I bet most people in game have come into contact with "RMT Gil" at some point, certainly anyone who uses the market frequently. Gil is constantly changing hands from person to person through trades/market etc.

Yet most people who have certainly had RMT Gil (thought no fault of their own), were not suspended and gil remove, yet a smaller percentage of us were.

You say your bro had 10mil lordjoosie, was this all kept "on hand"? (aka none on retainer/alt's) Also did he have have 10mil before the 27th?

[scarebearz]

One guy on Reddit said that he had bought 3mil gil against the advice of his brother, who told him it's easy to make gil through crafting.

The legit brother had made 10mil through crafting and was suspended on the 27th along with the rest of us...

The illegit brother (fair play for him being honest on Reddit tho) who bought 3mil RMT gil is not suspended and still playing...

SE trolled us bad and we want them for fix their mistake.

[lordjoosie]

I'm not sure on the date. It was a couple days after the suspensions when I checked his gil. Same day I saw the anyone who had over 8 mil got nuked post. But it was on his main when I saw it.

As for the redit post, I personally know of 1 person in game that bought a large amount of gil. Not sure how much but they went from broke to 3 mil in gear and quite a lot of gil on hand overnight. They also didn't get banned. I'd love to know if they got the gil in the mail or through trade, but that's not something people admit to.

Out of curiosity, did you get a significant portion of your gil from trades or mail? or was it mostly all from market board/quests/leaves?

[scarebearz]

This is what I did to make gil:

I started in early access.
I made a char to lvl 14 and re-rolled (wanted a different race)
Started as THM, soon took up Miner/GSM.
Their levels were around the same into the low 30's.
I learned that doing Leve's for GSM was very fast exp, 3x if you hand in a "HQ" item.
I spent almost all my leve's on GSM.
My Miner got to lvl 42 by the time my GSM hit 50 and my BLM was stuck at 39 (still is, I was busy crafting during my playtime)
Once I hit 50 GSM I had loads of electrum from Mining and only around 100k.
I then started crafting HQ and NQ Electrum accessories, as very few were selling these. (Amber, Zircon etc etc)
The HQ ones were selling for around 10k each, they cost me under 2k to make.
For days they sold faster than I could actually craft them
Realised Crafting materia was hard to get, so started making crafted accessory sets to spirit bond when I was crafting lots of easy items (accessories mainly). I bonded 2/3 sets per day, these materia were selling for 10-40k each
Once more started selling these, they still sold fast, but I needed to undercut every now and then.
Geared up my GSM.
Started making the 1-sart HQ items (these were selling easily for around 50k and cost 15k to make roughly)
Needed more retainer room, so I leveled my first char to 17 to unlocked retainer for more sales.
Had a friend pass over dozen's of items, HQ crafted mats, rose gold nuggets, NQ accessories etc.
Continued selling, once things slowed down I got my Weaver to 50. (around 8 mil at this point)
Geared my weaver, started selling weaver 1-star items. (30-70k each)
These also sold faster than I could make them.
continued. (got to around 14.5mil by this point)
On the 26th I crafted a 2-star robe (cost me 400-500k for try), it went HQ, so listed it at 999k (others on the history had sold for 900k+).
Friend said I should try for 1.5mil, so i re-listed it at 1.25mil, as i was going to use it anyway if I could not sell it. (mage still 39, but wanted to gear it eventually)
27th - Logged in - checked retainer - O.o woohoo it sold.
Logged out.
Tried to log in 1 hour later - suspended.

Was it possible some sales were bought by gil buyers? yes
Was it 99% exactly? Extremely unlikely

Most of my sales were market board sales, at least 90%, I did forget to mention in that post that I did do some commissions, and got paid a fair bit for melding, for many different people.

The only gil i got through mail was from other crafter's who wanted mats etc, or FC members who I made cheap spiritbonding sets for, crafter gears etc.

400k from leve's, a fair bit from quests (usually take the gil rewards), fates etc. (probably 1mil total here)

Your bro may not have had 10mil+ on hand when players we selected for suspension then anyway.

[lordjoosie]

Yea, if it was gil based, they would have had to make the list days prior to the suspensions. I didn't break 100k for over 2 weeks myself. If they said like over 3 mil on day 14 or something similar, that would make sense.

I made my gil almost the same way you listed, (mining and GS to start, sold electrums then level 49 acc then moved on)
One thing you mentioned though is the transfer of items. If you traded millions of gil in mats to and from accounts that weren't yours, that could set off red flags. This doesn't explain the folks that had low gil and were banned, but it might be a starting point.