Market Boards need to work like FFXI AH

[Bizzybeast]

Either you chose to ignore the meaning of my post or you did not understand it. Every Item in the game has an stated value outside the market that does not change. It is worth Xgil. Its market value depends on many factors if you think your car is better, good for you, the market will decide that. What was the point of quoting my post and saying absolutely nothing but writing in a terrible manner.

I quoted you, but replied on the subject. I do apologize if you felt intimidated, its apparently my posting style. Most think its humorous, some think its horrible because I rarely avoid calling bullshit on things and doing so in a funny way.


Anyway your post was just more of the same, a rehash of something already said 50 times. Also you gave into the urge to go with lame real life analogies about specific cars and what you think they should be worth. Eventhough you had the sense to say "about" or "around", to indicate guesstimation of something unguessable..

WHICH WAS MY ENTIRE POINT. We cannot sit here and talk about how it cost 4,000 $ to remodel our bathrooms, and that is why Iron Ore has a market worth of X.

STOP DOING IT AND I WONT MOCK YOU!!!

And this Mistress guy just wants to talk and talk and talk, like the forum is some World Series Of Arguing LinkShell. He knows the problems with FF11, but still insists it would be the best system for ff14.

He is wrong because he refuses to think of this from all angles. I am right because the way the system is, is better, and until its changed I will continue to be right.

If he or anyone doesnt want to discuss it properly, I have no problem retreating to the glaring truth.

[Kazamoto]

I quoted you, but replied on the subject. I do apologize if you felt intimidated, its apparently my posting style. Most think its humorous, some think its horrible because I rarely avoid calling bullshit on things and doing so in a funny way.

You are not funny, your posting style is not humorous. You are a bully, and at this point I strongly believe you are intentionally being ignorant in some attempt to troll this thread.

The title of this thread is "Market Boards need to work like FFXI AH"

You disagree with that statement, we get it.

You continually say that the 14 system is better than the 11 system because reasons. But never seem to explain what those reasons are, other than 'newer' or 'didn't think of all the angles'.

We have gone round and round about why, with real world examples the rampant undercutting we see is harmful to the economy. Yet you refuse to understand how a parallel works.

NO ONE is saying "4,000 $ to remodel our bathrooms, and that is why Iron Ore has a market worth of X" (With dollars, the $ goes before the number by the way, should say $4000.)

What we are saying is, in a real economy, it takes TIME and Materials to produce a good or a service. When people undercut so extensively they are usually ignoring the time investment or materials cost.

We get it, you disagree with this idea, move on.

[MentalPoison]

You are not funny, your posting style is not humorous. You are a bully, and at this point I strongly believe you are intentionally being ignorant in some attempt to troll this thread.

The title of this thread is "Market Boards need to work like FFXI AH"

You disagree with that statement, we get it.

You continually say that the 14 system is better than the 11 system because reasons. But never seem to explain what those reasons are, other than 'newer' or 'didn't think of all the angles'.

We have gone round and round about why, with real world examples the rampant undercutting we see is harmful to the economy. Yet you refuse to understand how a parallel works.

NO ONE is saying "4,000 $ to remodel our bathrooms, and that is why Iron Ore has a market worth of X" (With dollars, the $ goes before the number by the way, should say $4000.)

What we are saying is, in a real economy, it takes TIME and Materials to produce a good or a service. When people undercut so extensively they are usually ignoring the time investment or materials cost.

We get it, you disagree with this idea, move on.

Some of you need to realize Bizzy is positively more entertaining then you. Deal with that fact. He is the only person in this whole thread that made me even remotely laugh. The rest of you guys keep going into weird metaphors, analogies, and real life examples. He mocks you for it and you dont even get that he is doing it and lots of people just laugh at you/it without posting.

No one with even the mildest of intelligence is listening to people blather on about real world examples, how that means ANYTHING in a video game, and most especially how tired your argument is. This thread is filled with ideas that are not good enough to take off and it stems from thinking FF11's bad system would even remotely function in FF14.

Not everybody's server is as terribly impossible to make gil in as yours and honestly im convinced some of you are just bad at it. Anyway im sorry to have chimed in, but I knew Bizzy was done here and probably not going to waste his time retorting this gibberish anymore.

I wanted to help him out by explaining how most just pass this thread, and its terrible idea, right on by for the suggestion posts that are worth thinking about and discussing.

[MistressAthena]

Some of you need to realize Bizzy is positively more entertaining then you. Deal with that fact. He is the only person in this whole thread that made me even remotely laugh. The rest of you guys keep going into weird metaphors, analogies, and real life examples. He mocks you for it and you dont even get that he is doing it and lots of people just laugh at you/it without posting.

No one with even the mildest of intelligence is listening to people blather on about real world examples, how that means ANYTHING in a video game, and most especially how tired your argument is. This thread is filled with ideas that are not good enough to take off and it stems from thinking FF11's bad system would even remotely function in FF14.

Not everybody's server is as terribly impossible to make gil in as yours and honestly im convinced some of you are just bad at it. Anyway im sorry to have chimed in, but I knew Bizzy was done here and probably not going to waste his time retorting this gibberish anymore.

I wanted to help him out by explaining how most just pass this thread, and its terrible idea, right on by for the suggestion posts that are worth thinking about and discussing.

Troll post? I'm not sure if you seriously think this, or if your trolling yourself. But just in the off chance your not, lets put this into perspective.

1) This thread was not meant to be entertaining, so the fact Bizzy entertained you and we didn't has absolutely no bearing on anything. So what are we exactly having to deal with again?

2) Bizzy was the first one to start shoving real life situations in everyone's faces then turning around and calling the people children who poked holes in his knowledge. I was the first to say that you can't really compare a game to real life.

So no, he's not mocking anyone, except himself.

3) I'm sorry you felt like you had to "chime in" on your rather pompous, and arrogant mentality, I really do wish you would have just passed the thread like "so many other intelligent people" as you said.

Apparently you must be so smart though right? I mean you came into a thread, said absolutely nothing of value, claimed your intelligent while Ironically not showing any of face value and claiming that the thread is a tired argument. You then went on to insult the people who did discuss on it, while backing up the obvious troll, and arrogant responder in the thread, and of course all the while keeping that arrogant smug, and pompous attitude from sentence #1 yourself. So you must be right!

[Fetch]

I like undercutting and I do it all the time. I spent time leveling up a couple crafting classes and got the best gear possible for those classes. I farm items, then I make HQ items that sell for decent amounts. I also trade with free company teammates... items for crystals.

At the end, I make lots of great equipment and items at no gil cost. And if I see a couple HQ items up, for say, 40k, I'm going to sell at 25k. And if a couple items I have used to gil acquisition are being challenged by another player undercutting me still, I spend an hour flooding the market at ridiculously low prices and spread it around my retainers to look like it's multiple people selling in hopes of scaring them off from making a profit on what I consider my market.

I spend more time crafting than battling. It's what I find fun. It's not like I sell every expensive item out there. But I do have a few I would say I "specialize" in. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing the same thing.

[bwalker36]

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Intimidated....Not so much. The reason a person chooses to bring in a real world objects is because it tends to related to people more and allows them to digestthe information easier....logic which is lost on you. It's a simple fact that market price is determined by the market....You know that thing that includes buyers and sellers (and the govt in real life, but like you said this is not real life). It is a fact that items have a stated value and a relative/market value, there is no changing that.

While I don't agree with the op he is at least polite unlike you. Your posts are "angry" and I think I agree with Kazamoto you are just trolling.

@Mistress

I'm assuming you meant XI in your last post . I don't believe the undercutting has anything to do with the fact that you can see current listing prices. It has more to do with the fact that the crap getting undercutting to death has just an enormous amount of supply. Looking at fleece as an example it seems to stay relatively stable around 4-500 regular and like 600 hq. High supply items will always fluctuate more than others. I find my crafting armor to be relatively stable and looking at the price history only find a few that were marked out of the ordinary as I look at that to make sure i'm not going to high.

[MistressAthena]

Intimidated....Not so much. The reason a person chooses to bring in a real world objects is because it tends to related to people more and allows them to digestthe information easier....logic which is lost on you. It's a simple fact that market price is determined by the market....You know that thing that includes buyers and sellers (and the govt in real life, but like you said this is not real life). It is a fact that items have a stated value and a relative/market value, there is no changing that.

While I don't agree with the op he is at least polite unlike you. Your posts are "angry" and I think I agree with Kazamoto you are just trolling.

@Mistress

I'm assuming you meant XI in your last post . I don't believe the undercutting has anything to do with the fact that you can see current listing prices. It has more to do with the fact that the crap getting undercutting to death has just an enormous amount of supply. Looking at fleece as an example it seems to stay relatively stable around 4-500 regular and like 600 hq. High supply items will always fluctuate more than others. I find my crafting armor to be relatively stable and looking at the price history only find a few that were marked out of the ordinary as I look at that to make sure i'm not going to high.

I agree that a major problem is the fact that the game literally hands everything to you. I just don't think this will change, and to put some kind of bar on under cutting, I vote for the FFXI AH. While yes it may have problems, lets be realistic, its less problems than the current situation. That's just how I feel, and I believe it would work for the most part.

[bwalker36]

I agree that a major problem is the fact that the game literally hands everything to you. I just don't think this will change, and to put some kind of bar on under cutting, I vote for the FFXI AH. While yes it may have problems, lets be realistic, its less problems than the current situation. That's just how I feel, and I believe it would work for the most part.

I will agree to disagree with you . Either way I don't think we are going to say any change other than perhaps the starting value of an item. They really should do vendor +20% that way people who don't pay attention for items with very small spreads don't ruin that market.

[MistressAthena]

I will agree to disagree with you . Either way I don't think we are going to say any change other than perhaps the starting value of an item. They really should do vendor +20% that way people who don't pay attention for items with very small spreads don't ruin that market.

No! We must never Agree!.... Just kidding, so long as they put in any type of change that fixes it. I don't care what it is.. Either FFXIV AH, or remove like 95% of all the gear from the quests..