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    Player Crica's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    This analogy is awful.

    A better one would be: Are you proud of yourself for passing the test by studying rather than copying off someone else's paper?
    excepting paying for a run is not copying test answers since a game is not a test its entertainment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    excepting paying for a run is not copying test answers since a game is not a test its entertainment?
    Studying = putting forth effort to improve yourself. You will be prepared for future endeavors
    Copying off someone else = taking the easy and lazy way out. You don't improve yourself at all. You won't be prepared for the future.

    Exact same principles apply to Titan.
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    Player Crica's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Studying = putting forth effort to improve yourself. You will be prepared for future endeavors
    Copying off someone else = taking the easy and lazy way out. You don't improve yourself at all. You won't be prepared for the future.
    its entertainment, not trying to better yourself lol...

    if i am entertained by paying ppl to help me get an item in a game, whats that to you?

    how is my entertainment causing you to not enjoy the game?

    I DONT EVEN PLAY THE GAME WITH YOU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    its entertainment, not trying to better yourself lol...

    if i am entertained by paying ppl to help me get an item in a game, whats that to you?

    how is my entertainment causing you to not enjoy the game?

    I DONT EVEN PLAY THE GAME WITH YOU
    MMORPGs are a team based game. It's more about than what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    MMORPGs are a team based game. It's more about than what you want.
    If only this where true. The modern end game community is anything but team playing. Take a look at other posts in this thread "gets rid of the bad so we don't have to take them to coil" for example -that's team playing?
    The end game here promotes selfishness, it promotes elitism, it promotes instance selling (as people simply cannot get into groups because they don't have the gear/experience so no one will take them).

    My first Ifrit hm run? Couldn't get anyone to help in chat FC LS, went in via DF. Entered, told people it was my first time there -result? Both tanks immediately left followed by everyone else Teamwork? Right
    The game is structured so people have to do Titan - for the story, for the weapon. SE have channeled the whole player base through this one instance on a must do basis. Of course people are going to start selling it and of course some people will buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    its entertainment, not trying to better yourself lol...

    if i am entertained by paying ppl to help me get an item in a game, whats that to you?

    how is my entertainment causing you to not enjoy the game?

    I DONT EVEN PLAY THE GAME WITH YOU
    I miss you.
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Titan HM will not improve your skill. it just require you to run away from AoE and 7 other people who can do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    Titan HM will not improve your skill. it just require you to run away from AoE and 7 other people who can do the same.
    Requires you to be good at dodging things and having good dps and good healing. Which are valuable skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Studying = putting forth effort to improve yourself. You will be prepared for future endeavors
    Copying off someone else = taking the easy and lazy way out. You don't improve yourself at all. You won't be prepared for the future.

    Exact same principles apply to Titan.
    Here is a thought that most people don't think about. If you are watching the video to see how to do the fight...that is cheating also...just as bad as paying for a win if you want to go that route...you did nothing to beat it on your own except see exactly how to do it. True skill would be to go into the fight "FRESH" and learn the fight and how to do it on your own and then beat it because you gained experience and gained the skill to beat it on your own.
    If you play the entire game with a strategy guide open...then why play it??? You are suppose to figure the game out on your own.



    I can see both sides of this argument for sure.
    1. Players should be a little more forgiving on fights and give people a "fair shake" on getting better before they want to ditch them.
    2. I also see how wiping on a fight numerous times can get very frustrating...especially when it's one person always holding you back.
    3. People that do not have a good FC or not one at all I can see buying fights because they have no other choice, but is everyone entitled to a RELIC...I don't think so...it really should be earned through skill alone and I am so glad that you build your RELIC as opposed to how the random Primal Weapons drop and is so unfair. Someone walking around with a RELIC should be a "GOOD" player...period!!!!
    4. Now on the other hand if beating the primals and getting relic is necessary for future content to progress for players then I can see buying wins again.
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    Last edited by Mikedizzy; 10-07-2013 at 02:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikedizzy View Post
    Here is a thought that most people don't think about. If you are watching the video to see how to do the fight...that is cheating also...just as bad as paying for a win if you want to go that route...you did nothing to beat it on your own except see exactly how to do it. True skill would be to go into the fight "FRESH" and learn the fight and how to do it on your own and then beat it because you gained experience and gained the skill to beat it on your own.
    If you play the entire game with a strategy guide open...then why play it??? You are suppose to figure the game out on your own.

    Why do you feel the need to change the color of your text? It's making my eyes bleed.
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