"LFM Titan HM full DL" -.-

[Pellegri]

So you did all 3 of those instances more than 50 times each and you only have 2 pieces of darklight? Also no group worth mentioning that will even down turn 1 let alone anything after it will let you in due to a gear check they should be doing. You can be carried on garuda, hell you can even be carried on titan if the other healers are good enough, you cannot be carried in coil where depending on strat even turn 1 can push your mana to the limit and you need gear to do so.

The type of "gamer" you are means nothing when you are flat out demanding that other players be more skilled than you and carry you through fights because you do not care to put forth any effort when everyone else in the group does. If everyone in groups put as much "effort" as you do into gearing guess how far every single group would be? You'd be lucky to see more than 1 group on each server past titan, if that.

[TirionCrey]

Yes...FCs downed Turn 1-3 with Healers in AK Gear. The difference is...they were all skilled and pretty much everybody besides the Healer was geared. One group in our FC had a WHM in AK Gear and Relic til Turn 4 and did it just fine. But the other 7 were all in Full DL, Relic, Relic+1 and some AF2 pieces. The worse you are geared, the better everybody else has to be. Plus in Coil 1 you will get serious mana issues and you will be OoM sooner the worse you are geared.

And if you did AK, CM and Prae over 50 times each...you would have 4000 Phylosophy from AK, 5000 from CM and 5000 from Prae, which is enough to gear a few classes in Full DL. I assume that was just a typo.

And Relic+1 compared to AF2 Body and Head. Relic to Relic +1 gives you 4 extra MND and 3 Magic Damage (I don't know how 3 Magic Damage converts into Healing Magic Potency), but DL Cowl to Clerics Body and Head will increase your MND by 14, not taking into account the Piety and other secondary stats. So I think it's safe to say that Clerics Body+Head will be a bigger upgrade over Relic to Relic+1...

[firepixiedarien]

Really, I've had enough of those noobs.
People saying that I need full DL or lv70 gear to beat primals HM are just noobs that don't know how to play and flame about 3 or 4 stats points.
People said to me that I needed full DL to beat Titan when I had beaten Garuda HM while having a single DL piece, a CNJ wand lv49, the Healer's Robe lv50 and all the rest below lv45, earrings and choker lv28.
With this gear I KO'd Garuda HM without Mage's Ballad, without going under 90% MP while raising 5 times THE OTHER WHM.
It happened because the party was good.
I admit that Titan is more difficult, but it still doesn't need full DL gear.
But still I haven't got my chunk of hyperfused ore because nobody is capable of beating him, the other whm/sch dies dds don't deal enough damage, the tank doesn't aggro well...
I wish I could find someone good in that crazy Navel.

http://youtu.be/I3S8w0yT6no?t=32s

[Weltende]

@TirionCrey
Just for the sake of clarification, 1 Magic Damage on a WHM weapon is generally regarded as equivalent to 8-10 mind. The jump from Relic to Relic+1 will add about an extra 30 HP restored to your Cure 1 and about 50 to Cure 2 before taking anything other than weapon damage into consideration, which you'd need somewhere around 25ish extra Mind to achieve otherwise (depending on what your Mind stat was prior to the upgrade). These numbers are a bit rough but you get the idea.

Don't forget that in swapping from DL cloak to AF2 body/head, you're also losing 29 determination, which marginalizes the boost in Mind quite a bit.

Having a weapon's base damage directly impact healing value is not the most intuitive thing in the world IMHO so it's worth pointing out that upgrading from Relic to Relic+1 is generally regarded as a solid initial upgrade for a WHM, if not the best overall (I can't really speak for SCH since I don't play one).

[TirionCrey]

@Weltende: Thanks for the info. Okay, so Relic +1 might be the better upgrade over AF2 Body+Head I'll take back my prior statement then. Since I will upgrade my SCH after I'm done with my PLD, I guess upgrading my Relic will be the first thing Unless I get the Allagan Weap before that.

[Pellegri]

@Weltende: Thanks for the info. Okay, so Relic +1 might be the better upgrade over AF2 Body+Head I'll take back my prior statement then. Since I will upgrade my SCH after I'm done with my PLD, I guess upgrading my Relic will be the first thing Unless I get the Allagan Weap before that.

Unless your group plans on exploiting Twintania(which may lead to bans) you won't be getting the alagan wep first since he's the only one that drops them.

[TirionCrey]

Unless your group plans on exploiting Twintania(which may lead to bans) you won't be getting the alagan wep first since he's the only one that drops them.

Considering it "could" take around 4-5 weeks before I'm done with my PLD Gear through Mythology (still need to get the Gauntlets and the Cuisses, Curtana+1 and then maybe accessories, depending on what dropped in Coil til then), I was "assuming" that by then Twintania might be killable w/o the exploit I'm sitting on 440 Myth right now and unless the Allagan Feet drop next reset, I'll get the Gauntlets, if they drop I'll save another week to get the Cuisses

My group would never exploit that shit...wouldn't take the risk of getting banned or suspended just for that.

[Guevara]

And let me explain something: do you know why I don't want to get DL gear until it's required? Because I'm on PS3, and farming tomes on PS3 is hard as shit. People have someone to blame when they do something wrong, nobody waits for you when you skip a cutscene because they can't lose 5 seconds...
I did AK, Prae and CM more than 50 times each, I have only 895 ToP and 260 ToM (I bought a DL sash and a DL earring, nothing more), because when people hear "PS3" they just leave because they want "good players".
So I plan on getting my Relic + 1 and doing other classes before BCoC.

Sorry but you get worst and worst with every one of your replies. I play from a PS3 myself and did many many AK and CM without any issue. I have full DL now, and 1 (nearly 2) pieces of iLv90 accessories.

Please stop finding excuses for laziness.

[Taemek]

Just remember, people were beating him before people had farmed up full sets of DL gear.

Just because some people demand you have it, does not mean it is the standard that needs to be meet to pass the encounter.

Gear does not = skill just because they have a full DL set. They can still be the worst player you have ever seen.

[YanDere]

I wish I could be able to read what people said before, but I just realized I'm not.

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And if you did AK, CM and Prae over 50 times each...you would have 4000 Phylosophy from AK, 5000 from CM and 5000 from Prae, which is enough to gear a few classes in Full DL. I assume that was just a typo.

I entered more than 50 times CM, Prae and AK, but everyone left before even starting the dungeon, saying I was undergeared, this is what I meant.