Good Vs Bad Player

[Sixmp]

I have seen over my years of playing MMO's people talk about bad and good players.
I have been given many different reasons why players are bad and why players are good.

The one thing that does bite my ankles is how people seem to expect other people to do homework on their choice of class/job/Weps/Armor etc. Homework could be asking to be told what is going to happen just as they enter a dungeon, reading guides or watching videos of fights.

Now here is the thing. How is anybody a bad player because they chose to NOT do their homework?

The whole point of playing an MMO is about adventure, how is knowing what is going to happen before it happens an adventure?

I looked up a few definitions of Adventure..

1) An unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity.

2) Engage in hazardous and exciting activity, esp. the exploration of unknown territory: "they had adventured into the forest".


So isn't doing homework on things going against the game type we all are supposed to love?
As it states above unknown territory is hardly unknown if you just read about it or watched it on youtube.

So back to my original point. I see people who do not do their homework being described as bad players.
How are they bad if they are doing exactly as the game type suggests. While it may take a few runs to learn what is what, their experiences while they learn are the adventure.

Wouldn't it be more realistic to point the finger of a bad player towards people who NEED to do homework to get through the adventure?

This makes sense to me how MMO's are supposed to be played. Yet so many people do their homework and take away the adventure from the experience.

How do you guys see it? agree? disagree? mixed feeling?

[MomoOG]

The reality is that MMOs have perverted the very basic goal they had initially set out to deliver. I suppose its more the players own fault cause developers have changed MMOs to meet the demands of the majority. People apparently don't want to adventure. They want a cold and calculated experience.

[Arcturius]

My FC went into coil with no knowledge of what to do and we are at turn 4 now in 3 day of raiding. (3 hours a day.) Just get into a FC that is trying to get server firsts. You will end up doing a lot of fights that there are no guides for.

[TrystWildkey]

I agree for the most part. I don't want to have to watch videos or read guides before going into a fight.

That being said, I can also see the need for these if you're bad at pattern recognition. (Like me >< )

I have a hard time with pattern recognition. I can eventually figure it out, but more often than not, I have to have someone point out the pattern to me. However, I still want to go into the fight the first time without having watched videos and studied it. The studying, for me, comes after the initial encounter.

My choice to address this, is that I plan to run the primals and some of the higher level dungeons with friends only, or with my husband as the whm in the party. He's excellent at pattern recognition and can tell me the pattern without spoiling the fun of the first run. If I need to practice a fight/dungeon/instance then I plan to do it the same way; either with friends or with a shout group that knows I'm doing this for fun and practice.

Hopefully there will be other people out there with the same desire to have fun exploring the fight with no expectations of perfection. I want to run in, throw everything I've got at it, die spectacularly, laugh about it with the group, go over some points/strategies and do it again and again until we've got it right.

[Zumi]

Good player will do their research on endgame dungeons and fights. Will make an attempt will property gear themselves and have adequate gear for what they are trying to accomplish.

Bad player is the type of player who doesn't research their class, will queue up for AK in DF having all AF and a level 40 weapon level 20-30 accessories expect to be carried and have everything explained, crys about elitists when they get called out for gear.

[Codek]

Idealistically, you want like minded players playing together.

A group of players going into fights blind should not be compared to a group of players that go in knowing what to expect.

It's when these two groups mix together, that some negative consequences can arise.

Being an MMO with a diverse group of players, it should always be considered what type of group you are playing with. You should also have an idea of what is expected from you as well.

Also, DF can burn in hell.

[Blaetansa]

Doing your 'homework', as you put it, is only for the HxC gamer, and even then should only be done AFTER lvl cap and running through everything. Because by then you've had your excitement of the game and just striving to be the best. I enjoy not knowing what happens*I will ask people who have run the dungeons before me to point out the attacks and mobs, but only because I'm a GOOD tank who plays with the party I'm in.

[Sixmp]

Good player will do their research on endgame dungeons and fights. Will make an attempt will property gear themselves and have adequate gear for what they are trying to accomplish.

Bad player is the type of player who doesn't research their class, will queue up for AK in DF having all AF and a level 40 weapon level 20-30 accessories expect to be carried and have everything explained, crys about elitists when they get called out for gear.

How are you adventuring by learning about everything in advance?
You know like playing a single player game and learning how to beat the game before actually attempting it to the best of you ability first?

[ogopogo]

I have seen over my years of playing MMO's people talk about bad and good players.
I have been given many different reasons why players are bad and why players are good.

The one thing that does bite my ankles is how people seem to expect other people to do homework on their choice of class/job/Weps/Armor etc. Homework could be asking to be told what is going to happen just as they enter a dungeon, reading guides or watching videos of fights.

Since when does doing homework = learning the fight before hand? You're already making assumption that's based entirely on your opinion. Let me ask a question in return then. How do you determine a good adventurer? One who learns how to use his chosen weapon properly, who frequently maintain his gears and learns as much about both the location and monsters he'll encounter going into a forboding dungeon as he can? Or someone who can barely pull the string on his bow, who wears rusted and worn out gear into battle and who charges into a room filled with monsters and traps ignoring the warning of his party members?

I never ever minded someone who's new to an encounter. However, I will always tell people who don't know how to play their class that they don't know how to play their class. If that makes me an elitist bastard, then so be it.

[sasakusaku]

In my experience over 30 years of MMOing...bad players can be good players with a little help, guidance, and patience. However, no one wants to go through the effort. Most 'good' players find a guide on a site or watch vids off of youtube and learn off of other players who already did the content anyways. It's not like most actually figured it out themselves...

Ah the good old days before 'parsers' showed up which is now the go to yard stick to judge people. We are not human, we are simple a number on list and if you don't make the grade: yer a baddie! Doesn't matter if you are a good person in personality, no that matters not at all. Oh tight nit friendly game communities and pleasant social interaction with others....how I miss thee. /extinct