Info on the Lodestone!

[Eldaena]

I didn't know FFXIV stood for Fan Fiction XIV.

What is so fan-fictiony about it? o.o

[Elexia]

What is so fan-fictiony about it? o.o

Just trolling. People are so used to MMO these days that are like fighting games that there's no real need for story and lore, so when an MMO actually does it, it's a "bad thing". State of MMORPGs 2011.

[gifthorse]

Just trolling. People are so used to MMO these days that are like fighting games that there's no real need for story and lore, so when an MMO actually does it, it's a "bad thing". State of MMORPGs 2011.

I didn't say lore was irrelevant, Im just saying that the presentation of the lore, when presented on a website, is contextually inappropriate. This is a video-game first and foremost, so it stands to reason that the game exist primarily on its own merits. Which is to say that it ought to exist without support from a third party source (official website, for example).

I acknowledge that it is SE's style to be elaborate and verbose on their websites, but perhaps in the future they should save that for the game world and take a more clinical approach for the website.

We spend our whole time trying to see behind the literary facade they spin for us to see what the actual 'content' is that eventually the artistic flare that might otherwise be appreciated just becomes an additional hassle.

People wanted an official site and forums for transparency, not to be lead around yet again.

[Elexia]

I didn't say lore was irrelevant, Im just saying that the presentation of the lore was contextually inappropriate. This is a video game first and foremost, so it stands to reason that the game exist primarily on its own merits, not with support from a third party source (official website, for example).

I acknowledge that it is SE's style to be elaborate and verbose on their websites, but perhaps in the future they should save that for the game world and take a more clinical approach for the website.

We spend our whole time trying to see behind the literary facade they spin for us to see what the actual 'content' is that eventually the artistic flare that might otherwise be appreciated just became an additional hassle.

People wanted an official site and forums for transparency, not to be lead around yet again.

However, an RPG is filled with storyline and lore. An MMORPG tend to have storyline and lore on their website as well. Ironically most people don't care for the stories in-game and I've played MMOs since the 90s that I'm well aware of how people will spam through convos/not listen/ignore text boxes and just want the loot. So it is indeed a video-game, but it's also an MMORPG that are a different type of game.

Most offline games don't utilize their website beyond a flash game or basic information. MMORPGs utilize their website for much, much more.

[gifthorse]

However, an RPG is filled with storyline and lore. An MMORPG tend to have storyline and lore on their website as well. Ironically most people don't care for the stories in-game and I've played MMOs since the 90s that I'm well aware of how people will spam through convos/not listen/ignore text boxes and just want the loot. So it is indeed a video-game, but it's also an MMORPG that are a different type of game.

Most offline games don't utilize their website beyond a flash game or basic information. MMORPGs utilize their website for much, much more.

Well do you think you'd win an Oscar for Best Picture if you made half a movie on the big screen and then half in a pamphlet that you get with your movie tickets?

[Elexia]

Well do you think you'd win an Oscar for Best Picture if you made half a movie on the big screen and then half in a pamphlet that you get with your movie tickets?

Who knows, since some movies these days sound better in the synopsis than it actually ends up being when you watch it.

Still doesn't change the fact it's not a crime nor sin for MMORPGs to have their website utilized, because as someone said, the people complaining for this to be "in-game" aren't going to bother reading it all. The Vanadiel Tribune was like this and no one read it after awhile so they discontinued it, you could also access it through the POL viewer, which by people's logic, isn't a "3rd party source", yet people still stopped caring for lore and teasers.

Most MMORPG players these days don't care for storyline or lore, Evangela is the best example because all he does is bitch about it being done, so in reality, the best thing SE can do is put it on the website for those that do actually care about it because a lot people didn't care for the existing storyline and lore in-game so why would they begin to now?

[gifthorse]

Who knows, since some movies these days sound better in the synopsis than it actually ends up being when you watch it.

Still doesn't change the fact it's not a crime nor sin for MMORPGs to have their website utilized, because as someone said, the people complaining for this to be "in-game" aren't going to bother reading it all. The Vanadiel Tribune was like this and no one read it after awhile so they discontinued it, you could also access it through the POL viewer, which by people's logic, isn't a "3rd party source", yet people still stopped caring for lore and teasers.

Most MMORPG players these days don't care for storyline or lore, Evangela is the best example because all he does is bitch about it being done, so in reality, the best thing SE can do is put it on the website for those that do actually care about it because a lot people didn't care for the existing storyline and lore in-game so why would they begin to now?

Exactly, nobody cares. Why waste breath at all, let alone so much of it.

The only reason anyone even reads the lore is because they are trying to ascertain the "content" and "gameplay mechanics" which it conceals within.

[Eldaena]

I didn't say lore was irrelevant, Im just saying that the presentation of the lore, when presented on a website, is contextually inappropriate. This is a video game first and foremost, so it stands to reason that the game exist primarily on its own merits, not with support from a third party source (official website, for example).

I acknowledge that it is SE's style to be elaborate and verbose on their websites, but perhaps in the future they should save that for the game world and take a more clinical approach for the website.

We spend our whole time trying to see behind the literary facade they spin for us to see what the actual 'content' is that eventually the artistic flare that might otherwise be appreciated just became an additional hassle.

People wanted an official site and forums for transparency, not to be lead around yet again.

Having the information and lore of this nature is more easily presented to the player base through the official website. Having a way to bring it to us in game would take more time, more programming...and many people are already telling SE they have little time to turn it around. I think we should be focusing on the lore/information rather than the presentation.

SE has been surprisingly transparent. I never thought there would be some dialogue between producers and developers with the player base before this game. I'm starting to feel like players are becoming a little too self-righteous...feeling they deserve every single detail on their command...and things just don't work that way. We should be grateful for what we get, not demand information, then get information, and turn right back around and complain about it.

Having the information to ponder, speculate, consider, and just think about is entertaining in itself. Someone like yourself who has over 1k in posts, must know of this. I'm sure you post out of some enjoyment so don't act like any information given isn't another chance for you to debate, chat, even possibly troll over the content given. It's good for everyone and people just need to stop looking at YOU in the mouth.

Any news is better than no news.

[gifthorse]

Having the information and lore of this nature is more easily presented to the player base through the official website. Having a way to bring it to us in game would take more time, more programming...and many people are already telling SE they have little time to turn it around. I think we should be focusing on the lore/information rather than the presentation.

SE has been surprisingly transparent. I never thought there would be some dialogue between producers and developers with the player base before this game. I'm starting to feel like players are becoming a little too self-righteous...feeling they deserve every single detail on their command...and things just don't work that way. We should be grateful for what we get, not demand information, then get information, and turn right back around and complain about it.

Having the information to ponder, speculate, consider, and just think about is entertaining in itself. Someone like yourself who has over 1k in posts, must know of this. I'm sure you post out of some enjoyment so don't act like any information given isn't another chance for you to debate, chat, even possibly troll over the content given. It's good for everyone and people just need to stop looking at YOU in the mouth.

Any news is better than no news.

Well for future reference they should consider presenting this information within the confines of the medium they are using. They made a FFXIV PC game. Not a FFXIV website.

[Eldaena]

Well for future reference they should consider presenting this information within the confines of the medium they are using. They made a FFXIV PC game. Not a FFXIV website.

Obviously the game is more than just that. IT is also the community. We have an official website. And an official forum. Both things you frequent. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have it presented to us in game, but to expect it is asking quite a bit.