Raising the bar: Leetism standards and how it affects everyone else

[SkullDuggery]

While I agree that it is their own choice of how to play their game, these single choices, when added together, affect the world overall. This is my first mmo, and I have noticed some elitism. If you don't want this game to lose support, you'd think that as a whole the community would understand that shunning new players is a bad idea. But if everyone acts like selfish children, then this game will lose support, and there will be less people playing.

Imagine if Micheal Jordan refused to play with anyone who wasn't as good as him?

A good player is just a good player, a great player makes those around them better. Besides, most complain about how boring the grind is when they could easily mix it up by helping out a few new players. Who knows, they might become "good enough" to dungeon with you someday.

[Sinth]

Imagine if Micheal Jordan refused to play with anyone who wasn't as good as him?

Last time I checked, Michael Jordon didn't go out and play street games with scrubs and hustlers because he was too busy acquiring Championship Rings with the pros.

Since when did "elitism" become an excuse not to put in the same work as everyone else for equal achievement? It has nothing to do with shunning new players and everything to do with playing with equally capable teammates. Do chess champions go to high school chess clubs when they feel like playing a game? Does it hinder the chess clubs because they don't? No. Is it the champion's responsibility to train others? No. Get over it.

Its like people getting upset when they try to join a motorcycle club on their bicycle and get turned down. You are not entitled to join any party you please.

[Cyn_Bruin]

When I hit 50 I didn't auto queue for AK. I ran Wanderers Palace for a couple weeks to get better gear, I knew I wasn't ready for AK. I put in effort so others wouldn't have to carry me and we wouldn't struggle as a group.

Is it wrong if I expect the same? I can tell you right now I've left parties because of undergeared players and I will do it again.

If you come into AK wearing your lvl45 gear and lvl20-30 accessories, why would I want to bang my head into a Demon Wall again and again?

AK has bosses setup for gear checks. Both the Mind Flayer and the Demon Wall (moreso) are DPS/Gear checks. If you can't pass it, don't queue.

I don't consider it elitism if I do this... I put the work to further my character, so should others.

[SkullDuggery]

Last time I checked, Michael Jordon didn't go out and play street games with scrubs and hustlers because he was too busy acquiring Championship Rings with the pros.

He won rings with people who wouldn't have played on other teams. Take a look at some of the Bulls championship teams.

That being said, I agree that people should at least TRY to have some info before playing. I've only played 10 or so dungeons and I'm already getting annoyed by the other dps pulling hate. I see what you guys are saying. It's all so intimidating as someone new to mmo's. I want to get to endgame content, but I'm intimidated to ask for help. I'm worried they will leave the dungeon. I make mistakes, but I try to make them only once.

As far as the party thing goes, that sounds personal. Like you couldn't wait to exclude people from something, and now's your chance. Sounds petty to me. I wonder why such selfish and petty attitudes pervade in a game that counts on community