My idea on why the DEVS think Warrior is ok.

[Vmage]

my IBs will crit for 2600 healing in my 1 month play time gear, in 1-2 more months i can see it being 3500 atleast. but we'll see.
also thats with a 40-50% crit chance

well

if that was a noncrit value, and if that was with zero timers, then sure warriors are ok

i don't think either of those things are true though :s

[Kaalan]

pretty sure the % buffs act as a flat % chance, so 5 wrath is 10%, internal release 20%, base 5-10%? so around 35-40%

Nope.

/10char

[Kitru]

Nope.

Some de/buffs are additive and some are multiplicative. The crit buffs are, afaik, additive. The damage de/buffs are multiplicative. It depends upon what exactly you're talking about.

[CurlyBruce]

my IBs will crit for 2600 healing in my 1 month play time gear, in 1-2 more months i can see it being 3500 atleast. but we'll see.
also thats with a 40-50% crit chance

For your IB to crit heal for 3500 "at least" you would need to deal 1167 damage on a crit IB. If you had Relic+1 weapon, Berserk, Maim, Storm's Eye, and up to 250 Determination you would still need 470 STR to pull off numbers like that. Just as a hint a melee DD with full Allagan/Relic gear and 30 points in STR will barely beat that out at 486 STR. So yeah...you aren't getting anywhere near that anytime soon.

Edit: Correction, if you had full Allagan/Relic gear and used all DD accessories you could get about 214+30+221= 465 with about 268 Determination so you'd just barely reach your goal. You would still need to crit when necessary and hope none of the healing was wasted because of your healers spamming on you.

[Hundred]

So far WAR can complete all the content that PLD can. If PLD stands out significantly more then perhaps they're planning to tone down the PLD not buff the WAR.

[Ninjiitstu]

Nope.

/10char

They are additive. My parser shows 26% crit rate with 395 crit.

Some de/buffs are additive and some are multiplicative. The crit buffs are, afaik, additive. The damage de/buffs are multiplicative. It depends upon what exactly you're talking about.

Damage buffs/debuffs that fit into the same category are multiplicative, but additive with eachother. Berserk and Maim, for example. So instead of ATTACK x Berserk x Maim, it would be Attack x (Berserk + Maim).

[Leiron]

Either way, relying on crit to survive is pretty...dumb.

[silentwindfr]

maybe they use a scholar for heal the warrior, i means succor will heal more on a warrior, i don't know the number for a full ilevel 70-90 scholar, let say it critical at 700 (must be a bit more) that means the warrior will have a shield absorbing 1400 damage.
i try to understand too, believe me, i simply throw idea like this.

[Hachiko]

Damage buffs/debuffs that fit into the same category are multiplicative, but additive with eachother. Berserk and Maim, for example. So instead of ATTACK x Berserk x Maim, it would be Attack x (Berserk + Maim).

This is confusing, but I'm not sure if you're right or wrong.

Berserk and Maim are not additive because they are different types of buffs (one increases AP, one is a flat % damage increase).

As a rule of thumb, if they buff the same thing they are additive.

e.g. Internal Release + Wrath (30% crit bonus for the duration), Shield Oath + Rampart (40% damage reduction), Blood for Blood + Raging Strikes (45% increased damage), Convalescence + Wrath (35% increased healing), etc.

When they are multiplicative is when we start talking about different classes of buffs/effects interacting with each other. So, Unchained + Berserk (Flat %damage bonus, +AP bonus), Maim + Storm's Eye, etc.

What I'm not sure about is Maim's interaction with Defiance, and similarly Fight or Flight's interaction with Shield Oath. I haven't tested this. My gut tells me they are multiplicative, but my logic tells me they should be additive. If they were additive, this would better explain the ~20% disparity in damage out between PLD and WAR in practice, and it would also make Fight or Flight an even more amazing cooldown, easily the best dps cooldown in the game by a factor of 3.

If anyone has any testing or justification as to why this is wrong let me know, as I'm only confident about this and not certain.

maybe they use a scholar for heal the warrior, i means succor will heal more on a warrior, i don't know the number for a full ilevel 70-90 scholar, let say it critical at 700 (must be a bit more) that means the warrior will have a shield absorbing 1400 damage.
i try to understand too, believe me, i simply throw idea like this.

Succor and Adloquium are both more effective on a PLD than a WAR, no matter how you slice it.

[silentwindfr]

did you make test about succor with the 5 rage buff? the heal is really increase at lower level you can feel a big difference, like it heal 300 a paladin and 400 a warrior.
as scholar i have feel it's easier actually to heal a warrior than a paladin. indeed paladin take less damage, the heal are not the same on the warrior... indeed is not enough for make up.
but i try to understand as much than you the statement of yoshida about the warrior.