I feel bad for Tanaka. (Tanaka appreciation thread)

[Ichi]

hmmm says "Tanaka Appreciation Thread" not shit on man who no longer effects you. You kiddies need to grow up.

My respects to Tanaka I've enjoyed many a game due to your creative urges, more artists should follow your example and take risks instead of worshiping the almighty dollar. You got guts Tanaka.

[Sephr]

All you guys are supposed to do is say thanks to Tanaka. Is that so hard?

We're not supposed to do anything. Considering the course of the conversation, I'd say this is the part where 'you're supposed to' concede he really is totally out of touch with the MMO genre, and prety much led the game to the state it's in now.

What's wrong with surplus?

Good lord, not even going to bother anymore, the white-knighting is too much.

[Renshi]

It's funny how Vesperia wants an answer (with a topic redirection) on why it sucks which is most complete and comprehensive, but nobody is gonna tell her =D

I neither know why, but know this: Yoshi-P said he was gonna get rid of it.

[viion]

Dont care much for Tanaka, he got what he deserved. Made a game for himself ignoring everyone elses opinion.

[Gramul]

Dont care much for Tanaka, he got what he deserved. Made a game for himself ignoring everyone elses opinion.

As it turns out, this is not an uncommon practice for success.

I am not influenced by the techniques or fashions of any other motion picture company.

I do not like to repeat successes, I like to go on to other things.

I still hold the belief that if his vision was complete, it would have been a completely different story. But he's gone now, and we should encourage Yoshi to make a game we can all love and still distinctly feel Final Fantasy. When the battle system is done, he may move on to work on things that Tanaka would have liked to introduce, or maybe he'll add something completely different. It's still too early to tell.

[Onidemon]

As it turns out, this is not an uncommon practice for success.




I still hold the belief that if his vision was complete, it would have been a completely different story. But he's gone now, and we should encourage Yoshi to make a game we can all love and still distinctly feel Final Fantasy. When the battle system is done, he may move on to work on things that Tanaka would have liked to introduce, or maybe he'll add something completely different. It's still too early to tell.

Dude i don't mean to be rude or anything but you don't make much sense. How could the battle system have been more completed then it is now? The game mechanics are pretty much done and are complete in regards to his vision. He wanted it to be this way. But in the end it just sucks and it's boring.

And if you're going to give me any arguments about how he was going to complete it, keep in mind that nothing can be changed! We are talking about completing a system here so it's all about adding stuff. The spells suck visually and they suck in practice too. Every ability feels the same to me. Whatever ability i chose to use feels the same... it's like it doesn't matter much what i do. No real buffs too in this game... combat involves very little strategy.

The fatigue system is horrible and looking at all the threads around you will see how the majority hates it. Even before the game was out and Tanaka was discussing the fatigue system, everyone was against it. Guess what? he decided to add it anyways and people hate it.

The armory system... pick and chose every ability you want across the board and make yourself a custom class. The idea at it's core is interesting but the execution is really bad. He should have really seen this coming. Doing that will result in all classes being the same in the end. He should have added some restrictions and don't tell me he was going to because that is CHANGE not COMPLETING something.

You don't come up with a broken game based on your bad decisions and then say well it's incomplete. Not it's not incomplete. The only incomplete things about what he tried to do is the content and he was so sure that we would end up enjoying all his systems once we got dungeons and stuff to do in game.

Do you think so many people would have voted for an extreme change if all that needed to be done is tweakings to complete Tanaka's work? SE are not idiots, they would rather tweaks stuff quickly then change everything start from scratch, which takes months and generates hate from the community because of the long wait time.

Tanaka screwed up. HE thinks so himself, SE thinks so, Yoshi-p does too and all the community(leave a few here and there) think so too. People make mistakes, we are human and so is Tanaka, He did a mistake and he payed for it.

[Quanta]

As it turns out, this is not an uncommon practice for success.

Tanaka could possibly be a Disney, and fail just as much as he succeeds, learning from each failure and applying it to his later work. However, he could just as easily be a George Lucas, putting out passable products when he's listening to others, utter shit when he's listening only to himself, and learning absolutely nothing along the way. Both methods will make you seem successful; only one will make you look like a genius.

[Onidemon]

Tanaka could possibly be a Disney, and fail just as much as he succeeds, learning from each failure and applying it to his later work. However, he could just as easily be a George Lucas, putting out passable products when he's listening to others, utter shit when he's listening only to himself, and learning absolutely nothing along the way. Both methods will make you seem successful; only one will make you look like a genius.

Because he wanted to make something different then FFXI he did not apply anything he learned from that game. Because he wanted to be different from WOW, he did use anything from that game either.. even stuff that are common in all mmorpgs.

It's like if Honda tried to make a car but not use anything the other car companies do. How impossible is it to do that? And even if you succeed somehow... would you even call it a car?

[Starlord]

Love how this Thread turned from appreciating Tanaka to the "Tanaka or Yoshi" Thread lol *giggles a little* >.>

[Dreamer]

I'll give you that, but at the same time he was the reason a lot of things happened that people complained about:

-Surplus
-Market Wards (I know it's a 50/50, but still)
-No traditional FF classes/Lack of uniqeness for each class
-Making DoL/DoHs classes that can participate in the main story
-Poorly optimized game that require a ton of system resources
-Bad control/button scheme
-Laggy UI due to it being server side instead of client side

All of these things (outside of the optimized game, but I'll get to that in a bit) were part of Tanaka's vision and in no way some kind of accident. So I really don't see why people are trying to call the guy a genious for all of that crap.

As for the optimized part, let's face it: XIV could have been a lot less demanding on system resources, however due to Tanaka refusing to listen to people (Which he has a good track record of) do you really think he'd even give 2 sh*ts about the system if he was still the head honcho for the game?

1.) Surplus is only a problem for people who only want to play one or two classes all the time in order to rush to max rank.

2.) The market wards in their current form work very well.

3.) The goal of the system (in my opinion) is for you to make your own class, not have the game define it for you.

4.) DoL/DoHs participating in the main story? See #2. We're not defined by our classes or discipline.

5.) Agreed, to a point. I've played games that were much worse in this regard.

6.) I've never had an issue with the controls.

7.) Agreed 100%.

That being said, people need to realize that Tanaka has simply been selected to be SE's scapegoat for this situation. The issue was simply that he was given a deadline that he simply couldn't meet. The real fault with this lies with SE's upper management who were arrogant enough to think that the game could stand on brand name alone at launch to give the developers enough time to finish it while selling customers what was essentially an alpha product.