Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[BrodyAlgana]

Plus, the Bard/Archer Limit Break does SOOOO much DPS... /eyeroll that is why you take other DPS, at least 1 in a 4 man. If we want a healing LB I can do that as WHM....

I say fine, if you are going to nerf another player (again bad idea in a pve game), then they should also get a DPS LB.

[RyuDragnier]

Holy hot damn, a Bard that actually speaks truth. You are the sole glimmer of hope I have for the entire Bard playerbase.

I feel the same way. The only song I ever play is Foe Requiem, and that's because it's the only song I can play by myself that actually helps people kill things without me having to be in a party. I don't like how as a Bard, my songs are practically worthless outside of certain high level instances and dungeons. It doesn't help either that almost all of it seems to be support based in a way where it just helps other party members keep casting spells or spamming skills. I'd like to see some that lower your own damage output while increasing the party's attack, one for their defense, etc. Things that I would gladly use at any given time. Or for the songs to NOT have to be so party based.

[Blaste]

Once upon a time a Bard was responsible for the success and failure of exp runs, raids, and runs for precious equipment. I was with the party that were the first North Americans to see the end of the XI storyline through the Dynamis'. I lead the highest exp runs that people had seen in my time. I kept my guild, and many others alive through many years of play.~snip~

So let me sum up this choir of words, you're mad cause bard is not the same as XI? Using that as a comparison to base your opinion around the Bard in XIV...see there is just one flaw in your logic.... THIS ISN'T FFXI, god these comparisons of XIV to XI are leaving a bad taste in my mouth, its like listening to an elderly person talk about the glory days and then compare how easy it is for you nowadays compared to what they had, or how "better" it was for them. Times are a changing, man up or get out. Plain and simple eh?

[7thPawn]

Since you like the elderly Blaste here is a diatribe just for you. Final Fantasy has been a series of games that have built upon eachother since the original final fantasy in 1987. This isn't about glory days, this is about the fact that certain classes act and do certain things because the other versions of final fantasy have built upon eachother. It's reality, not reminiscing. It's why a lot of the mobs are called the same thing, the classes are roughly the same names, act in about the same fashion, and others don't make an appearance in one but will in another version. This isn't Everquest versus EQ2. This is a franchise that has been built upon other successive titles. I am not mad at all. I am voicing an opinion in a clear and reasoned fashion using experience and with the other versions of the franchise in mind. So in the next post I will post from Wikipedia for you.

[7thPawn]

From Wiki...

Bards (吟遊詩人 Gin'yūshijin?) use songs to cause effects, often buffing the party or debuffing the opposition via the "Sing" command. They generally equip harps as weapons. Some Bard incarnations, including Edward Chris von Muir from Final Fantasy IV, have the ability to "Hide" from the enemy. This command is mainly used due to the Bard's low physical abilities. Bards in Final Fantasy XI have MP regeneration songs and stat boosting songs. In Final Fantasy Tactics, Bard is the only male-exclusive class available to generic units. In "Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift", the Bard job is exclusive to the Moogle Hurdy. Strangely, in Final Fantasy: the 4 Heroes of Light, one of the White Mage's special abilities is Hide, which is normally seen with bards.

Since my blather has nothing to do with other versions of the franchise, did you want me to type out what versions of FF bards appeared in?

[KaiSunstrider]

She is correct that theoretical dps on a target dummy that has zero resistance to your spells is not a good determination of dps in reality. SMNs can execute their debuffs with 100% efficency when there are zero other debuffs on target. When you add in the 15 other debuffs that are applied to a target and the fact that the game doesn't consolidate all of ur debuffs together reduces that efficiency quite a bit.

Also, I cannot argue with you that on stand and spam BLM and SMN can kick my tail, but during actual coil fights, which generally consist of constant movement, I generally hold my own or come out greatly on top depending on my 20% reduction song usage. I would agree that due to the movement mechanics of fights we are incredibly strong if not overpowered because under almost all circumstances we can execute our rotation 100% without falter unlike any other class, even melee, because we rarely get to far away from the mob to continue attacking.

[t00nc3ss]

If we want a healing LB I can do that as WHM... <snip> ...then they should also get a DPS LB.

Very good point, one I completely overlooked.

Hmm, a healing class, the WHM, having a healing LB, makes complete sense. A Bard, now the foremost mobile DPS and utility class, ALSO has the same healing LB? Even more OP. Thanks, you guys just keep cementing the awful truth you do not want to admit to.

And hell, the latest posts about parses and now this about Bard getting a DPS LB, were already addressed in a previous post by myself. Coupled with the latest arguments basically asserting that everyone but Bards are wrong and jealous, just makes it crystal clear how much in denial bards are. Same arguments that hold no weight.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-soon./page15
If there are any future arguments not already addressed in Post #146 in the above link (middle of the page) I will be happy to entertain your words and thoughts.

edit: The Parting Words segment was supposed to be a cheeky joke, but the fact that they have been brought up recently as serious debate points has totally made my day brighter.

[KaiSunstrider]

I'm completely ok if my damage is nerfed a bit, but give me more useful non MP/TP songs other than Foe req which doesn't give that incredible of gains per MP spent.

Hell give me a LB that is a song. tier 1 increase raid damage by 20% for X sec, tier 2 increase dmg by 20% and gives 20% haste for X secs, tier 3 gives 20% dmg increase, haste, and instantly restores mana and tp for all party members.

[Elegance]

Very good point, one I completely overlooked.

Hmm, a healing class, the WHM, having a healing LB, makes complete sense. A Bard, now the foremost mobile DPS and utility class, ALSO has the same healing LB? Even more OP. Thanks, you guys just keep cementing the awful truth you do not want to admit to.

I hope you realise the healer LB isn't exactly a plus?
In almost every case you'd want a dps LB, there is a reason melee claim they are solely brought for their LB.
Because thats essentially what you'll want to be using, unless you need the aoe DPS one.
Of course there will be fringe cases, but you almost never want to be using the heal/archer lb anyway, with its ridiculous cast time.
Now if they gave archers the melee break... yea that might be a problem.
I don't think any bard wants to have the healer lb, lol.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm completely ok if my damage is nerfed a bit, but give me more useful non MP/TP songs other than Foe req which doesn't give that incredible of gains per MP spent.

Hell give me a LB that is a song. tier 1 increase raid damage by 20% for X sec, tier 2 increase dmg by 20% and gives 20% haste for X secs, tier 3 gives 20% dmg increase, haste, and instantly restores mana and tp for all party members.

This. If we're going to be support, give us a support LB that helps the party by buffing it. Hell, make the songs more useful in general outside of specific dungeons and instances, and just make it so when we go Bard our DPS takes a backseat to the songs (unless you want to sacrifice party support for more DPS).