Duty finder bring the casuals and hardcore player together is a disaster

[Scratchs]

I don't see gear check as being a solution. I hope they add a play style Preference to DF where you can select casual, hardcore, etc and be grouped with the same.

[SDUGotenEU]

so you're paying more subscription fee than casuals?

and if you're that hardcore you should have a good LS/FC to play with, except no one wants you.

I am not hardcore per se. I am just bringing up the fact that this is the root of the problem. Majority is clearly the hardcore as you can see on duty finder for CM run. Most of them are speed run group. Casuals + hardcore on end game contents are disaster. Expectation is just way different. And this is what my first post is trying to say.

[mythicrose]

Base on the situation right now on duty finder for CM run, an NBA star run into another NBA star in a pick up game is 80% of the time. They are the norm. I mean, try it, queue on CM 10 times, and see how many of them are speed run group. You will be surprise you will run into so many NBA stars in a pick up group.

Without any credible form of evidence, your 80% in CM are "hard core" or "speed runners" is false. More likely is that "80%" have already seen the cutscenes and don't need to see them again. Not watching the cutscenes does impact clear time, but you're under the wrong assumption that those people are speed runners and "hard core".

Furthermore, many people (even dirty "casuals" like myself) could've hit level 50 in a primary class within the second week of the game going live. To cap tomes, you only need to run AK once a day for six days a week with day seven having two completions. Many people likely don't want to see the same playout cut scence over and over and over. I don't in the pre level 50 dungeons when I'm trying to acquire certain things.

If you use DF, you can't expect others to conform to your own view. Make friends with others, and stop expecting random people to conform to your own desire and expectactions. By the way, "hard core" doesn't equate to good player nor does "casual" equate to bad player. Also take solace that soon the DF will have minimum gear requirements for some content.

You don't have to believe what I said. You get on duty finder, queue on CM 10 times and count how many times the group is speed running the dungeon. The last I had was about 8 out of 10. Or you can just read all these post on this forum that people are complaining so many speed run group for CM which ruin their experience on their first run of CM.

Again, you are missing the point. Unless you form your own group of like minded individuals, it is wrong to pressure others randomly placed in your group by the DF to skip cut scenes (espeically if they haven't witnessed them before). At least the gear requirments coming soon will at least stop people from entering a dungeon vastly undergeared. That is a legitiment concern, not random people watching cut scenes and slowing your CM run by 5 minutes (arbitrary number).

[Errors]

It is because, 80% of CM run on duty finder is already speed runner group. The majority of the people on duty finder are expecting they joining a CM speed run group.

I'm 100% sure you don't have any cited information to say 80% of duty finder groups are doing speed runs. As there has been no official numbers released by SE and there is no way the player base knows how many people are doing DF speed runs compared to those who aren't.

Come on, someone had to do it. Making up statics is fun.

[Rannie]

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this but you do realize that the duty finder wasn't created for just hardcores or just casuals it was created in the frame of mind that for later on down the road when there aren't as many people doing those same dungeons that the new people on servers aren't shafted and have no one to party with . That was why the duty finder was created and if I could find where yoshi p said that. Id so post that on here because later on a year or more down the line when people slowly trickle in there will be less people doing those dungeons

[SDUGotenEU]

Without any credible form of evidence, your 80% in CM are "hard core" or "speed runners" is false. More likely is that "80%" have already seen the cutscenes and don't need to see them again. Not watching the cutscenes does impact clear time, but you're under the wrong assumption that those people are speed runners and "hard core".

You don't have to believe what I said. You get on duty finder, queue on CM 10 times and count how many times the group is speed running the dungeon. The last I had was about 8 out of 10. Or you can just read all these post on this forum that people are complaining so many speed run group for CM which ruin their experience on their first run of CM.

[oda]

I don't see gear check as being a solution. I hope they add a play style Preference to DF where you can select casual, hardcore, etc and be grouped with the same.

Since the definitions of casual, hardcore, etc. are widely subjective and debatable -- this would not help. Also, the whole point of DF is to find a group if you cannot find one in your FC/Server. Segregating the DF population would be counterproductive to its intended use. If you want an optimized run, you have to optimize it before you go in. Don't expect an optimized DF run. End of story.

[Z3M0G]

1. Greetings,

The development team is aware that the benefits for defeating regular monsters in high level dungeons are not proportionate to the effort. They are also aware that dungeon runs can also be filled with players with conflicting goals (like enjoying the story versus doing a farming/speed run) that leads to it being difficult to enjoy the content. They feel that improvements in these areas are needed and are currently working on countermeasures for this.

We will be sure to fill you in on the details in the near future.

Hopefully they come up with a smart solution.

[THoey1963]

I am just surprised that someone says that the DF works. I have tried it a dozen times and after 30, 60, 90 mins, I give up. Shouts usually work within 15 mins...

[Cyclic]

I've been reading these forums at work and it blows my mind that the FF community comprises of so many people who are oblivious to their own stupidity. There are so many similar threads like this one that just makes me think "Is this guy for real?" I don't feel like reading 4 pages to see if anyone has said what I am about to say.

I've seen people complain that they don't like the Fate system to level but rather the old style in the previous iteration of the game where you find a group and grind mobs.... Ok... so go find a group and grind. No one is forcing anyone to do Fates to level. Even if SE didn't implement Fates, it doesn't make grinding mobs any faster of a method to level nor does it change the fact that you can still level using the method you prefer. IF DF wasn't implemented, you'd have to form your own group or join an FC. SO does an addition of the DF system change the fact you can still find your own group? Holy Hell are some people stupid.