Story Mode Titan.

[Dorin]

Give up and start levelling your crafting and gathering classes.

[Rivienne]

For those who think this is easy, I think it is a bit of perspective. If you do it with Duty Finder, most people are first timers. So you run with a random group, and chances are you never are running with a single person who has won yet. That makes a huge difference. Other dungeons up to that point are much much more forgiving, and losing one of the team is rarely fatal, and further people who have won them before re-run on a regular basis for loot.

Titan story is actually rarely re-run after being beaten, at least not via DF that I have found, because there is no incentive. So there isn't an expert guiding people through or helping carry the weight, instead you get those have previously failed trying to guide the rest of the party through as much they can without having won it themselves. So no, it isn't easy for most people using the DF. It is quite hard because even if you yourself have it down after many failures, you still have to depend on other people. Who may or may not have tried before, and may or may not have it down. It is the group, not the fight itself, that makes it so challenging. Combined with lag problems that may never have been an issue before, you have a sort of worst case test for new players. It is the first real barrier to end game I think, and a much bigger one than even most of the things that follow it.

4-man Titan a barrier to endgame?

Well that is your opinion... I beat it 2nd try using DF and the same goes for everybody I know (nobody had trouble with it at all using DF).

4-man Titan is as hard as an ornery karakul.

You were lucky, and I don't think you fully realize it. I have gone back and re-run it multiple times now for practice and I hear the same thing every time "this is my Xth try I really hope I can done with this soon". Dismissing the experiences of others because you had better ones isn't exactly statistical evidence. You don't have any good basis of evidence, and so your easy win is great for you, it really is, but it isn't helpful to the many people out there stuck at this one fight due to the randomness that is duty finder, and the lack of experienced people willing to re-run it to help them out.

I don't understand, is his landslide different in 4-man than in 8-man? Is it laggier?

Because to get hit by titan's HM landslide you almost have to do it on purpose, or have extreme lag.

Yes a lot of these people have extreme lag. Me included. I know for some reason people like to dismiss this, but it is happening. I am learning to cope with the lag. But. As I said. You seem to be dismissing that this is the first time for people. If you get queued up every time, with new people every time, and everybody keeps failing, sure maybe second time through you have it down. But with DF, second time through you are probably with a different group. Chances are good they are also new, or don't have it down. And generally speaking you need the whole group to win.

The odds are not in your favour of being grouped with 3 others who have it down. The only way it would be, is if people re-ran the story mode primals as much as they do dungeons. So the odds are against you getting a group that has it down. Which means the odds are are against you winning unless you keep re-running a large number of times. It isn't about your individual skill. it is about the rest of the group. This is why I say barrier to end game. End game you are supposed to have a good group together that can learn as they go, and rework until they get it down. DF you keep getting reset back to zero: new group. new group. New group.

I like duty finder. I really really do, and I will use it 99% of the time. But this is the reason some people disparage it so much. Because in some cases it causes content to be a lot harder than it might otherwise be with a pre-formed group who could go in, wipe many times the first time, and even fail, but then on the second go around win because they all together figured it out.

If anything I would say Titan is what should be pushing most people towards forming groups on their own server, who can run it again. Even if it is a one off group, it is more reliable than DF because you can re-queue together again after failing until you win.

[Dorin]

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4-man Titan a barrier to endgame?

Well that is your opinion... I beat it 2nd try using DF and the same goes for everybody I know (nobody had trouble with it at all using DF).

4-man Titan is as hard as an ornery karakul.

[amnie]

absolutely agreed on the whole 'in titan you notice the lag'

I got hit by a landslide in a few fights where the bar was maybe 1/3rd in (meaning 2/3rd where still left before it went off), I was miles away, and got hit. I developed the habit of just standing close to the middle to at least manage to stay on the plattform, but that still costs a lot of health.

this is one of the fights where it's super frustrating when you know that you didn't do a mistake and the game still decides you're going to look like a noob. and the worst thing? people will yell at you to not get hit by the slide.

well.. D'OH



I too have done it a few times now, and I noticed a few tricks that make the fight a lot easier, but in general what would make it the easiest is just the problems people fight with in general. and it does NOT help when people say that Titan Story Mode is 'easy'. well we all know this. I absolutely agree. it IS easy. unless you are not able to avoid shit because the game itself doesn't want you to.

[Shuon]

we went with 2x whm, war and smn and finished it. i nuked as whm during heart phase lol.

that said, landslide (straight line punch) is usually the main problem, and latency can be a bitch.

my best advise is: stay behind Titan as close as possible the the turning radius is smaller when landslide procs, and be on the constant move to combat server latency.

everything else is a matter of basic mechanics, and after experiencing it at least (even with wipes) everyone should be fine.

watch out for landslide!

[Elegance]

Latency is a realllly huge issue.
I cleared it with zero problems on the jp legacy server I started on , but had significant trouble when I rerolled on an NA server( to avoid being on a legacy so I can transfer where I want).

[Dorin]

I don't understand, is his landslide different in 4-man than in 8-man? Is it laggier?

Because to get hit by titan's HM landslide you almost have to do it on purpose, or have extreme lag.

[nullzy]

Maybe I'm wrong but its hard to believe there are a ton of new people still buying the game everyday. The first couple of weeks after release was literally a Zerg rush and now that the rush is over I imagine lower level dungeons / primal fights being somewhat ghost townish. A good portion of the community have already completed their storylines and will never do lower level storyline dungeons again and most level 50 people leveling other classes will probably just Fate grind.

I recently started leveling other DoW classes and have tried to do a few Sastashas/Tam Taras/Copperbells just to complete my Foestriker set and it takes forever via Duty Finder. And even when I do get in, often times experienced players will just leave because a tank doesn't know what to do or a DPS starts nuking everything without waiting for the tank or the healer overcures or this or that or whatever. It takes 1-2 min to explain roles and hate to people and once they understand they go "OHH!!" Not everyone has MMO experience.

Must be frustrating to be a new player now because there is less traffic in lower dungeons / primals.

[RhoddODduw]

My advice.. leave your current free company. They sound like d-bags. Get in to a new, more friendly one. My free company are a great bunch. We're always happy to help each other out with anything.

[Sammich]

3) If you are unsure if you are able to avoid landslide because of lag, run the middle. Even if you get hit you are less likely to get thrown off the edge.

This. I had so much trouble avoiding the landslide, even when I knew it was coming because of the stomp. The only way I could do it in the end was to run towards Titan the moment he finished his stomp. Still got hit a few times, but managed to just cling on to the edge of the platform haha