The definitive WAR answer STR vs VIT... and stat caps

[Ninjiitstu]

Brutal Swing adds a whopping 4.167 potency baseline.

That would still make your math wrong, right?

So you say that Spirits Within shouldn't be counted but Brutal Swing *should*?

Im saying do one or the other. Don't pick one side and leave another sides abilities out. Common sense should dictate that.

Anyone that acts like WAR is more effective at AoE has no idea what they're talking about.

That is going to be my new sig. You are clearly inept in every way.

Overpower is 4 x damage x Defiance. That, even at 25% increased Enmity, is a potency of 5. At 2x, its 8. So, what again?

Also its a loss of 70, not 80. And the reason WAR is better at AoE is the combination of Overpower AND Flash. You haven't been to coils yet, clearly.

[Kitru]

That would still make your math wrong, right?

No, I specifically chose to ignore it. The math is correct. You may not agreed with the method, but the math is correct.

Im saying do one or the other. Don't pick one side and leave another sides abilities out. Common sense should dictate that.

Common sense would also dictate that they don't follow *nearly* the same use paradigm. Spirits Within deals a helluva lot more damage with a much less important status effect. Ignoring that difference is like ignoring the vast gulf in state between Flash and Overpower (which you also do, so I really shouldn't be surprised).

That is going to be my new sig. You are clearly inept in every way.

Really? Because it's pretty obvious that you can't even correct me correctly.

Overpower is 4 x damage x Defiance. That, even at 25% increased Enmity, is a potency of 5. At 2x, its 8. So, what again?

Overpower's enmity modifier is 2x, not 4x. That's 240 potency as enmity per use, pre-Defiance. I find it amusing that you're bringing up Overpower's numbers in a vacuum. You're acting as if 240 potency as enmity per GCD is somehow supposed to be monumentally high without even giving a point of comparison. If you want to claim that Overpower generates *way* more threat than Flash does, actually bring up a point of comparison because, unless Flash is complete and utter rubbish (on 3 targets, cycling the BB combo generates ~240 potency as enmity per GCD on each; Halone generates ~230; Flash needs to generate at least that much for it to provide meaningful enmity generation in realistic AoE scenarios; even at ~200, it would still be useful thanks to evenly distributing it rather than loading it on the third target), Overpower has nowhere near the absurd advantage that you think it has.

Also its a loss of 70, not 80. And the reason WAR is better at AoE is the combination of Overpower AND Flash. You haven't been to coils yet, clearly.

TP generation is 60 per 3 seconds. The GCD is 2.5 seconds, which equates to 50 TP/GCD. 130 - 50 = 80. If you want to math, math properly.

As to needing both Overpower and Flash, I seriously have to wonder why the hell you would ever need 3-4 uses *per fight* of a single, non-damaging AoE that provides no debuff. While I haven't been to Coils yet, I find it hard to come up with a situation where you actually *need* Flash, considering how little WAR actually gets to use it.

[Ninjiitstu]

As to needing both Overpower and Flash, I seriously have to wonder why the hell you would ever need 3-4 uses *per fight* of a single, non-damaging AoE that provides no debuff. While I haven't been to Coils yet, I find it hard to come up with a situation where you actually *need* Flash, considering how little WAR actually gets to use it.

Again, Go to coils before you give your opinion on what you need or don't need as a WAR. I do appreciate the math though, despite you still being wrong.

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=231

4x. Thanks for playing.

[Kitru]

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=231

4x. Thanks for playing.

That lists the tank stance enmity modifiers as 2x and the Defiance damage debuff modifier as .65. Neither of those is true and they've been tested numerous times on live servers. Old numbers are old.