Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[CurlyBruce]

Just a note, IB has an accepted bug listed for improper returns on healing. Hopefully that helps a little bit.

The bug in question is when a monster's HP is lower than the HP Inner Beast would heal. For instance of a monster has only 300 HP left and you kill it with Inner Beast, you will only receive 300 HP for the Inner Beast. While annoying, it's not really relevant to endgame tanking.

[Hirosashi]

He's saying WARs effective HP would be 167% higher than PLDs base HP. Base HP*1.25/.75= Base HP*~1.67

Ah I see I miss read that part, That does make too large of a difference in that case.

[C-croft]

The bug in question is when a monster's HP is lower than the HP Inner Beast would heal. For instance of a monster has only 300 HP left and you kill it with Inner Beast, you will only receive 300 HP for the Inner Beast. While annoying, it's not really relevant to endgame tanking.

I noted that they were saying that it would also happen in the middle of the fight as well as the end.

PS forum limit hit.

[Xariann]

(snip) STR recommendation for 15% parry damage mitigation.

Hm, where did you get that number? My parry, according to combat log, shaves 23% off the damage of each hit. I am nowhere anywhere near 405 strength.

[Lhun]

Hm, where did you get that number? My parry, according to combat log, shaves 23% off the damage of each hit. I am nowhere anywhere near 405 strength.

You are correct, and I made a mistake there confusing total mitigation averages vs actual activation averages. you get 20-25%(at 405str) which averages out to 15% of total incoming damage parried away during the course of a fight, with current stat allotments. The goal in a lot of cases is to get this higher.

[Kaalan]

405 STR is for 25% mitigation, not 15%. You should really get your fact straight before acting like you're a god above us all Lhun.

[Tronic]

405 STR is for 25% mitigation, not 15%. You should really get your fact straight before acting like you're a god above us all Lhun.

He's a secret agent of the PLD collective, sent to plant misinformation in WAR threads O.o

[Lhun]

He's a secret agent of the PLD collective, sent to plant misinformation in WAR threads O.o

Oh dear.

405 STR is for 25% mitigation, not 15%. You should really get your fact straight before acting like you're a god above us all Lhun.

First, I've never felt arrogant or "a better player" then anyone. I just seem to be more willing to try unconventional techniques then some of the naysayers we've been getting, and the Japanese players really don't see the imbalance as harshly as NA does, to the point of not inviting them to groups. I'm just a player who likes to master every game I play. I have, however, been playing this game a lot longer you, but, I am not a "god", far from it. We'll see how things turn out in a year from now.

I've spent some time reviewing the data from the myriad of sites we have, and they point to 15% OVERALL mitigation average at 405 STR, when you look at the rate of parry during a fight. I made an error during that post due to confusing the total overall average mitigation with the amount per parry, while also realizing I see near 21% mitigation on my parries. My apologies.

I don't mean to lead anyone astray, I just think the "current state of warrior" isn't as bad as people think it is.

[Kaalan]

I don't mean to lead anyone astray, I just think the "current state of warrior" isn't as bad as people think it is.

I'd say most people that are disapointed with WAR while knowing what they are talking about aren't saying that the WAR is bad but rather weaker than PLD.
The problem we have right now as a WAR isn't that we can't clear stuff, we can, it requires more gear than a PLD but we can. The problem is "why would you take a WAR in your party when you can take a PLD ?"

[Sephirah]

I'd say most people that are disapointed with WAR while knowing what they are talking about aren't saying that the WAR is bad but rather weaker than PLD.
The problem we have right now as a WAR isn't that we can't clear stuff, we can, it requires more gear than a PLD but we can. The problem is "why would you take a WAR in your party when you can take a PLD ?"

Because there are some things they do better than PLD. People keep saying it's a myth WAR does more dmg than PLD, yet there are parses out there showing WARs dealing equal if not more dmg than actual DPS classes, you just have to change your gear and playstyle. They are more versatile, for encounters you only need 1 tank for they can DPS and pick up the boss if the PLD dies, much easier than any other DPS could. I'm not saying it's impossible to hold AoE threat as a PLD, far from it, but it's definitely easier for a WAR. Just like it's not impossible for a WAR to maintank, it's just easier for a PLD.