WHM Questions/Feedback from a Warrior

[Sebyos]

This had been discussed on Reddit and doesn't work.

First 1.3k is low compared to the 1.5k of a Cure II and for the same MP cost.

Second, the cast time of SS is 3 seconds where as Cure II is 2.5. So even if Cure II and SS had same values, the Cure II would still be the winner. In fact, to be as good as Cure II in terms of healing output or healing per GCP, SS needs 20% more value than Cure II.

[Koltik]

This had been discussed on Reddit and doesn't work.

Can you share the link? I'd like to take a look and my google skills are failing atm.

[Raminax]

I didn't realize Stoneskin blocks the knockback, I feel like I'm usually flying back. Sometimes to psych myself out, I will use Fluid Aura on Demon Wall and pretend like I knocked him back instead.

It depends. If Stoneskin fully absorbs an attack with a secondary effect (such as Repel and it's knockback), the secondary effect will be nullified as well.

You can test it on healer type enemies that use Stoneskin with Aero, Aero II and Thunder. If they don't break the Stoneskin, the DoT shouldn't be applied.

[James1213]

From the discussion on the tank forum on my phone right now so not able to link. It would be better just to cure2 and regen a warrior because even though you have high health you would get more healing done with the difference of mana not to mention most warriors sit on their wrath stacks. Stoneskin does not benifit from +heals. Also it is generally less effective on a warrior due to the lower defense a warrior has compared to a pally. A warrior will eat through a stone skin faster than a pally would tanking the same content with the same gear.

However it does have its uses such as repel on demon wall or an extra 1k+ health before a mountain buster hit on Titan. Now what would see an increase on you would be a sch bubbles since to my knowledge they are based upon how much they heal ya for.

[Jarlax]

I use it just as OP describes. Start fight tank has SS then recast after about 1 or 2 seconds followed by regen "or time damage in my head" and try to keep it until I have to burst heal with cures. Saves mana and you build a LOT less hate

[Nailkita]

I've been trying this out a bit on a few guinea pig warriors, and it is working surprisingly well, so long as no damage occurs outside of the tank (which ideally shouldn't but it happens) then it falls a bit behind.

I had an interesting Ifrit HM the other day where I decided to try it out on the tank since he was well geared. By the time the nails were down the other WHM and I are both full MP and have had very little struggle. It wasn't until during a poorly timed missed stun where I was killed (not by the eruption but being unable to get to Ifrit in time after running away from said eruption) did MP become a struggle and I abandoned stoneskin for pure reactive healing.

I wouldn't say stoneskin should replace a cure, but I would like to see it more utilized when MP isn't a worry. Because of its lower enmity it's a very safe spell as well.

[LiadansWhisper]

Effective health is damage I don't have to heal up. When you hit ~6k health on any tank, Stoneskin is the most efficient spell I can cast. It lets me sit on my hands before a pull, giving the tank a head start on threat before I have to start healing. And it can save people from being one-shot. So. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing.

[dragonflyseksparade]

OP is arguing that SS is more useful compared to other WHM heals as the tank gears up and increases health pool. This is only true for the scenario of a poorly geared healer and a well geared tank. Because the same can be said for healers - as they get better gear, their base heals also increase. In other words:

Stoneskin scales with tank Vit/gear
Cure I/II/Regen scales with healer Mind/Gear

In the end, SS is still less mana efficient than Cure I/Regen and has a sufficiently long cast time to not be reliable in movement intense fights. Furthermore, a stoneskin/regen combo has a higher likelihood of regen ticks overhealing as opposed to a Cure I/Regen combo that the healer has more control over. And finally, there is no way to know how much of the current stoneskin has been 'used up' vs remaining. Because of its long cast time, it would be necessary to precast stoneskin as the previous SS is wearing off.

[Koltik]

OP is arguing that SS is more useful compared to other WHM heals as the tank gears up and increases health pool.

Way to twist my words. I did not say it is more useful than other WHM heals, or anything even close to that. What I said was that Stoneskin scales with the tank's gear, rather than the healer's gear.

[dragonflyseksparade]

Way to twist my words. I did not say it is more useful than other WHM heals, or anything even close to that. What I said was that Stoneskin scales with the tank's gear, rather than the healer's gear.

Did you read what you quoted? wtf is wrong with you? 1st grade reading comprehension?