random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Orophin]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there for this to be a daily topic on the forums.

What SE needs to do is take a stronger stance on the Harassment reports that people make. SE reps have flat out said that people AFKing in dungeons are not against their terms of service. THAT is what they need to fix.

[Richiealvian]

You can't vote MVP with the people you queue up? Does that mean if I go with 3 premade and one random I'll have to vote the other person by default? That's interesting, where did you read that?

[Shougun]

While I understand the good intentions of this system, I think it's just going to lead to further abuse from players, especially tanks and/or healers that can hold the group hostage to give them good votes since they basically hold the fate of the group in their hands. I'm not saying this will become commonplace, but there certainly seem like there are enough bad apples out there for this to be a daily topic on the forums.

What SE needs to do is take a stronger stance on the Harassment reports that people make. SE reps have flat out said that people AFKing in dungeons are not against their terms of service. THAT is what they need to fix.

I dont see how the hostage scenarios are feasible, voting logically would be at the end- and anonymous. Doing it any other way would be silly.. lol

[KaiKatzchen]

I hope the stuff isn't only obtained this way, because while that certainly does encourage using the Derpy Finder and not being a prick, it doesn't encourage the basic principles behind a MMO... You know... How you find friends and play with them? I really have no reason to ever touch Duty Finder solo, but unless I do I don't get this stuff? Gee thanks for encouraging me to play with my friends...

I've been saying this for a while on this thread... this isn't a fix it's a bandage. It won't help, now people can say 'well if you don't vote for me then I won't beat this boss or do this run'. It could bring on a whole new form of harassment.

Or what happens when these people have everything they can get or want, SE will continually have to add new items, time that could be better spent on adding things into game that betters it as a whole.

Also as you said this game is supposed to be about creating communities and playing with your friends, and this essentially (much like duty finder) supports an anti-community attitude.

SE will do what they like, but in the end I doubt it will fix the problem. You don't fix a bad attitude by giving bad people rewards to be good. You let them know that attitudes like that will not be accepted and do what you need to do to punish them. If that means putting strikes on peoples accounts and not letting them into DF (which means no dungeon runs) for 'x' days, then so be it. That would fix peoples attitudes or get them out of the runs where they are abusing people.

[Sotek]

I dont see how the hostage scenarios are feasible, voting logically would be at the end- and anonymous. Doing it any other way would be silly.. lol

Yeah... If someone demands I vote for them at the end or they wont heal/tank, I'll gladly say "Sure" and not vote for them based on that behavior alone... I really don't get how anyone is going to abuse this system in such a way...

[Kayo]

So be nice until I buy everything I can buy with MVP? Got it!

Or maybe its better to continue being a dick for faster gear progression then worry about MVP once Im done since there is no downvoting. Guess it depends on what I can buy with MVP.

Ok no not really but this isnt a solution. Itll help, I guess, but aholes get their joy from being aholes. It gives their pathetic life meaning. This isnt going to stop most of them.

What we NEED is a huge cross server blacklist that blocks accounts, not characters. In other words, Blisting 'Jerk Ahole' from X server, will block every single character in Jerk Ahole's account from ever being matched with you, or anything else he/she might type.

I hope the stuff isn't only obtained this way, because while that certainly does encourage using the Derpy Finder and not being a prick, it doesn't encourage the basic principles behind a MMO... You know... How you find friends and play with them? I really have no reason to ever touch Duty Finder solo, but unless I do I don't get this stuff? Gee thanks for encouraging me to play with my friends...

Soooo use it? You going to complain about PvP gear too if you dont PvP? There are many ways to get many different things in this and many other games, theyre not going to stop giving it because someone doesnt want to participate in it. This may even get a bigger player pool in the DF ... including more tanks/healers who are more likely to stick with FC because of their high demand. Might be a better idea than I originally thought, actually.

MMOs arent for friends only, btw ... its a community. No where does it say its "basic principle" is to stick with your static group nor should it encourage it either.

[WildSnipe]

I foresee a lot of people being overly friendly to the point of being obnoxious hoping to get voted on, or a lot of healers getting voted on because nobody was friendlier than another so I'll just vote on the guy that helped everyone the most without saying a word.

[Airget]

Ya, a better concept would be a "contribution" output that's shown after an event ends which showcases heals and dmg done by the party members. If a party member falls under the treshold to be worthy of the reward they obtain nothing. So say in CM or the final dungeon for story a person stays at the start an accumulates no dmg or healing throughout the encounter. Because of this they would obtain no tome rewards because they did nothing to contribute to the party.

Of course people have to go afk at times so for that there could be 2 stages,
50% reward and 100% rewards.

In terms of CM and the last dungeon the 50% reward could be obtained by at least helping with half the dungeon so while yes leechers may still exist to an extent, if said leechers want the full reward then they might as well help the whole way.

100% will be for those who help throughout the whole dungeon and pull their weight but done in such a way where the overall battle output would allow for each player to gain 200% of the 100% they need so as long as they help the whole way there is no issue.

But then they could also add caps to each stage so a person can't accumulate 100% through some exploit such as 25% at the first part, 50% midway, 75% near the end and the rest gained through the final boss fight.

This would encourage people to actually play, the MVP system does nothing more than add another troll concept because said trolls can be like, nah I'm not voting for anyone but beg everyone to vote for them, of course they won't and then snarky remarks and negative communication will occur and it just in the end doesn't help the situation.

[KaiKatzchen]

What we NEED is a huge cross server blacklist that blocks accounts, not characters. In other words, Blisting 'Jerk Ahole' from X server, will block every single character in Jerk Ahole's account from ever being matched with you, or anything else he/she might type.

I suggested this as well and I think it's a great idea. If 'X' is being rude every run and tons of people Blist them this its they fault they have to wait longer to get into DF's.

[Shiyo]

Greetings, everyone!

I'd like to give a brief official overview of the "MVP" system that was announced by Yoshida during TGS, as there is a lot of interest in how this will encourage players to be positive and helpful when using the Duty Finder.

This system is for groups that get matched in the Duty Finder and cannot be used when you pre-make parties to enter dungeons and other content. Once you clear the content, you'll be able to vote for a player you feel was helpful, positive, and friendly.

Accumulating these points will allow you to buy companion armor, new mounts, and other exclusive items.

This system is scheduled to be implemented in patch 2.1, and once further details have been finalized we will be sure to share them with you!

I personally NEVER use DF but this change is absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much!