Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

[DJPr3tty]

Sorry, but if you're a 'geared' dragoon and can't pull off of the main target for an af tank, you're not putting out as much dps as you should, and really ought to 'l2p' yourself ;p

240-250 IS enough DPS.

Honestly, tanks don't know how emnity works. If a DPS waits a couple seconds then it's upto the tank. I've had it both ways, Relic+1 Curtana PLDs i pull threat off of, AF I don't. There is some skill in Emnity.

[KogaDrake]

Note that I'm talking about 'geared' people that just attack w/e they want, ignoring marks, taking like three more minutes to kill a group of mobs because of that.

Note that XX dps/sec is XX dps/sec no matter what I attack, only thing that bruning one target rather than 3 does is make it faster that you have less attacking you and less healing for the healer. As most healers dont dps as 1. they already pull threat from just heals, 2. often get yelled at for DPSing so they just dont worry about it anymore, the mobs take the same time to die. healer isn't DPSing (most cases in my experience in the DF) = same speed, if the healer does DPS too, then maybe its faster as the healer does not need to send as many heals.

not saying its ok to not burn one at a time, but get real its same speed.

in terms of the summon, rarely do i see it get off even with split DPS as the tank can easily ensure that ti does not get off (PLD at least), and WAR 1 stun plus aoe dmg gets it killed before 2nd attempt most always

[AdvancedWind]

Dear tank: If I'm stealing hate with a single Shadow Flare as scholar, you're doing it wrong.

Signed - A scholar who somehow keeps getting hate with Shadow Flare in AK.

[Amyas]

Edit to an edit: That is exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if both of my relic dps are on different mobs I hold hate fine. You need to learn to cycle and figure out exactly how much enmity you gain per skill use.

I know exactly how much hate my skills will net me. I know how to tab through targets and see who has how much hate on what mob and use my skills accordingly. Usually start the butcher's block combo on the first mob and finish it on the one with next highest hate, while suplementing with overpower (flash if any are slept). This thread is about overgeared 'cocky' dds that don't even let tanks get their first +enmity off before attacking the wrong mob, not me having enmity issues xD

[Livilda]

These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning

Void Call is interruptable.

[Orophin]

What about when I pull hate off of your primary target? There's some tanks I've played with where I have to DPS something else for a while because something will either come up blinking orange or red on me.

[DJPr3tty]

if you have bad dps bursting at the start try changing your openers. If you are really doing everything you can, then there is nothing you can do.

Tomahawk into Overpower, soon as the damage initiates, provoke into rotation. It sucks, but if thats what you are referencing, thats really all you can do.

My earlier comments are to tanks that cant hold after I give them 5 seconds and still nothing.

[Amyas]

Dear tank: If I'm stealing hate with a single Shadow Flare as scholar, you're doing it wrong.

Signed - A scholar who somehow keeps getting hate with Shadow Flare in AK.

Never had that problem with scholars or summoners, personally. Aoes are fine, after I've at least pulled, flashed and got my +enmity combo off.

Void Call is interruptable.

That is what is so bad :x My single (long cd) stun isn't enough to keep it from doing it though when dds focus on using aoes and not even sleeping/stunning it.

What about when I pull hate off of your primary target?

Then its my fault then, I was either taking a drink or typing in ls chat or otherwise distracted.

if you have bad dps bursting at the start try changing your openers. If you are really doing everything you can, then there is nothing you can do.

Tomahawk into Overpower, soon as the damage initiates, provoke into rotation. It sucks, but if thats what you are referencing, thats really all you can do.

My earlier comments are to tanks that cant hold after I give them 5 seconds and still nothing.

I normally pull with tomahawk, but if its just a single group I'll mark 1, run in middle of em and flash, then start enmity combo on marked mob. I don't mind having to 'voke and tomahawk if I mess up a bit (makes me feel like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat)



Overpower isn't really enough to start with if you have some overzealous dds with you, its only a *tiny* bit better than flash, but the animation takes longer (err seems that way to me anyways) and it can mess with your combos that you *really* need if people are focusing on the right target.

Post of the year award goes to....


Let me break this down for you. You can interrupt the summon on trash mobs, and in fact most DPS will expect you to, because thats your job..

Read some more of the thread, we all know what happens when you assume xD Warrior stun only lasts for 6 seconds.

[Youmu]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><

Hope it was worth it to them for waiting on a new tank and the possible requeueing just for the instance though.

That's just it. Its not faster. Its more difficult and takes longer. How is letting the priests summon void wraiths because you want to use aoes and not (focus target) faster? Imo its quicker to burn em down one at a time almost instantly rather than have dds all on different mobs xD

Post of the year award goes to....


Let me break this down for you. You can interrupt the summon on trash mobs, and in fact most DPS will expect you to, because thats your job. If DDs are ignoring marks with single target and stealing hate that way, its on them, but as a BLM who pug runs AK all day versus way undergeared tanks (in comparison), I will AOE on 3+ mob pulls with no restraint for agro. Why? Because I know it won't matter if you lose agro - I stay on top the mob pile to prevent movement, and go about my business, and if you know you're place, you'll be thankful I'm doing so because thats shaving 10 minutes off every run. If you think this method actually slows runs down, then you need to stop running with bad DPS who cant efficiently AOE. Get a good BLM or SMN to show you the difference. I get so sick of dbag tanks with attitudes like yours because they're too prideful to accept that they cant hold complete AOE threat vs overgeared DPS, and instead flip their shit and leave. Put aside your stubbornness, and accept that as long as DPS is managing agro well enough not to get overwhelmed, they're doing a good job.

[Jeronlmo]

You just are lucky enough not to have ran with DDs that like to ignore marks and go all out before you even get your +enmity combo then. Go back and read what I've written before saying 'you can hold hate just fine'.



Reading is hard :x see my reply to Jeronlmo. Its like no one even bothers to read past the thread title xD

If you can keep hate when each dd is going all out on a different mob and they pull them away from you while running around in circles, *golf clap*. Grats for being a tryhard and putting up with it I guess. I don't, it takes too long to kill mobs and makes my job more difficult.

Fight or Flight > Circle of Scorn > Flash > Spirits within the mob that should be targeted first (succubus) > Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash. If the DD's do not know the correct kill order you just switch to the mob that they are on, AK only gives you 2 DD's to compete against.

Real hard scrub.